Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Gloomlord]

I mean, it's so damn simple to figure out. If 2 enchanters and 1 cleric are chainsawing through mobs with 2 charms, then how does a shaman casting dots, which won't even reach full duration, on the mobs being killed mean anything? CH also completely outdoes Torpor here, so that's not an argument either.

Why has DSM decided to be one of the most childish people I've ever seen on a forum and debate otherwise when even a person with average skill can see this is wrong?

Threads this long should be about some interesting topic -- not some idiot unable to admit the truth.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean, it's so damn simple to figure out. If 2 enchanters and 1 cleric are chainsawing through mobs with 2 charms, then how does a shaman casting dots, which won't even reach full duration, on the mobs being killed mean anything? CH also completely outdoes Torpor here, so that's not an argument either.

Why has DSM decided to be one of the most childish people I've ever seen on a forum and debate otherwise when even a person with average skill can see this is wrong?

Threads this long should be about some interesting topic -- not some idiot unable to admit the truth.

The only childish people here are the trolls, like yourself. I post evidence and debate with logic. If it's such an obvious thing to prove, why haven't you or someone else posted data? It should be trivial to prove me wrong.

The answer is simple, the trolls probably know they will get the same data. The math isn't hard hehe. But since they are too childish to admit they are wrong, they continue to troll. Its easier, and they can try to save face.

You are not even reading my arguments correctly. Where am I DoTing mobs that are dying in 30 seconds due to Enchanter pets? https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=638

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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All I can do is re-state the facts in continued effort to attempt to continue the discussion(s) in a civil manner. The ball is in DSM's court.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as the data shows.

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You called me "silly" when you were backed into a corner by my replies to you on the below thread too, and you stopped replying (like a little bitch): https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...401629&page=37.

How's it going in that corner you've been backed into?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am maintaining civility in this discussion, and my position is founded on hard evidence. The only insults I throw are thrown in defense.

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, you have not maintained civility in this discussion.

I have maintained civility in my posts to you - in which I have ONLY stated facts and asked questions - and despite my civility you have (repeatedly) called me a troll, called me silly, accused me of doing/posting things I have not done/posted, and meanwhile have continued to ignore my simple questions and avoided responding to the many facts I've stated. I present both of our posts - from this thread and elsewhere - as evidence of my civility, and you have provided no counterevidence despite me requesting you provide it (multiple times).

Why do you opt out of partaking in a civil discussion with me, and meanwhile claim that you are maintaining civility in this discussion (yet choose to continue to call me names for [seemingly] no reason)?


Why do you feel the need to "defend yourself" from any of the facts I have stated or questions I have asked?

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are not even reading my arguments correctly. Where am I DoTing mobs that are dying in 30 seconds due to Enchanter pets? https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=638

You did not post data / evidence of your Shaman DPSing in a group with Enchanter pets nor ANY other players as was requested of you, multiple times by multiple people in this thread - therefore, your data does not include Enchanter pets. It's quite simple, really. I bet you feel "silly" asking where are the mobs dying to Enchanter pets in your data or "argument" now. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For anyone who needs a recap:

All I can do is re-state the facts in continued effort to attempt to continue the discussion(s) in a civil manner. The ball is in DSM's court.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as the data shows.

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You called me "silly" when you were backed into a corner by my replies to you on the below thread too, and you stopped replying (like a little bitch): https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...401629&page=37.

How's it going in that corner you've been backed into?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am maintaining civility in this discussion, and my position is founded on hard evidence. The only insults I throw are thrown in defense.

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, you have not maintained civility in this discussion.

I have maintained civility in my posts to you - in which I have ONLY stated facts and asked questions - and despite my civility you have (repeatedly) called me a troll, called me silly, accused me of doing/posting things I have not done/posted, and meanwhile have continued to ignore my simple questions and avoided responding to the many facts I've stated. I present both of our posts - from this thread and elsewhere - as evidence of my civility, and you have provided no counterevidence despite me requesting you provide it (multiple times).

Why do you opt out of partaking in a civil discussion with me, and meanwhile claim that you are maintaining civility in this discussion (yet choose to continue to call me names for [seemingly] no reason)?


Why do you feel the need to "defend yourself" from any of the facts I have stated or questions I have asked?

[Karanis]

DSM: dude you don't haste charm pets at low levels idiot

also DSM: being in a group doesn't change dps at all, my warrior's dps is still superior to charm pet dps

me: (imagining a world where an enchanter that's grouped with just about anyone, ISN'T hasting AND weaponizing their pet, absolutely crushing warrior dps)

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Karanis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DSM: dude you don't haste charm pets at low levels idiot

also DSM: being in a group doesn't change dps at all, my warrior's dps is still superior to charm pet dps

me: (imagining a world where an enchanter that's grouped with just about anyone, ISN'T hasting AND weaponizing their pet, absolutely crushing warrior dps)

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Nice strawman. We are talking about levels 12-30, where your charmed pet is dying quickly and getting killed for XP. Also, if the Charmed pet is spell hasted, then so is the Warrior, so both would get a boost to DPS. My Warrior wasn't spell hasted either. This really isn't hard.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nice strawman. We are talking about levels 12-30, where your charmed pet is dying quickly and getting killed for XP. Also, if the Charmed pet is spell hasted, then so is the Warrior, so both would get a boost to DPS. My Warrior wasn't spell hasted either. This really isn't hard.

It was item hasted though. Did your charm have a muzzle or other item haste? Or is your data useless trash again?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It was item hasted though. Did your charm have a muzzle or other item haste? Or is your data useless trash again?

What level do Mages get Muzzle? 56? Oh yeah, that isn't in the level range of 12-30[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have never seen a level 20 Enchanter give their pet a permanent haste item like tolapumj Robe. Mob HP is simply too low, so it's very easy to lose.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We are talking about

We (read: the rest of us, everybody but you) were explicitly and specifically talking about Shaman vs Mage in the context of DPSing in a high level fast-paced killing DPS group, and while you have made hundreds of posts as replies to this subject in this thread, you've unfortunately (still) provided zero relevant evidence/data/parses (read: evidence/data/parses that matches the description of what we [read: the rest of us; everybody but you] were talking about) - you may not understand this or you may be intentionally arguing from bad faith, neither scenario (nor how you feel about it) changes these facts.

All I can do is re-state the facts in continued effort to attempt to continue the discussion(s) in a civil manner. The ball is in DSM's court.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as the data shows.

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You called me "silly" when you were backed into a corner by my replies to you on the below thread too, and you stopped replying (like a little bitch): https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...401629&page=37.

How's it going in that corner you've been backed into?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am maintaining civility in this discussion, and my position is founded on hard evidence. The only insults I throw are thrown in defense.

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, you have not maintained civility in this discussion.

I have maintained civility in my posts to you - in which I have ONLY stated facts and asked questions - and despite my civility you have (repeatedly) called me a troll, called me silly, accused me of doing/posting things I have not done/posted, and meanwhile have continued to ignore my simple questions and avoided responding to the many facts I've stated. I present both of our posts - from this thread and elsewhere - as evidence of my civility, and you have provided no counterevidence despite me requesting you provide it (multiple times).

Why do you opt out of partaking in a civil discussion with me, and meanwhile claim that you are maintaining civility in this discussion (yet choose to continue to call me names for [seemingly] no reason)?


Why do you feel the need to "defend yourself" from any of the facts I have stated or questions I have asked?

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean, it's so damn simple to figure out. If 2 enchanters and 1 cleric are chainsawing through mobs with 2 charms, then how does a shaman casting dots, which won't even reach full duration, on the mobs being killed mean anything?

Yea he changed gears to saying he would nuke as a shaman on fast dying mobs and pointed out he "only" does 27 less dps than a mage using his (probably faulty) data. I had to point out to him that a difference of 27 dps is fairly large when the top end is 82 dps. Troxx's mage did literally 50% more DPS than him using his own data which is very likely skewed in his favor. Then when I pointed this out he rotated to "But muh utility outweighs the damage. Damage doesn't matter cuz charms"

He's literally impossible to have a reasonable argument with