Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why am I the arrogant one? I post plenty of evidence to support my claims. The only arrogance here are the people claiming "I am right and you are wrong because I don't like your data". That is an astounding level of arrogance. You assume you know better than everyone else, even when actual data proves you wrong[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay then, so do what Troxx asked of you. Parse yourself for an hour as shaman to see how much DPS you can do. Then ask a mage to give a parse in the same scenario. Someone even offered to provide you their classes to test your theory.

You won't test that theory, though, because we all know you're a duplicitous child unable to admit you're wrong.

This isn't a conspiracy against you -- you're just a fool.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay then, so do what Troxx asked of you. Parse yourself for an hour as shaman to see how much DPS you can do. Then ask a mage to give a parse in the same scenario. Someone even offered to provide you their classes to test your theory.

You won't test that theory, though, because we all know you're a duplicitous child unable to admit you're wrong.

This isn't a conspiracy against you -- you're just a fool.

I do not need to. The data I have provided would be the same in a group. It is exactly the same as the "napkin" math I provided earlier, because it really isn't difficult to math out average DPS in a video game.

It is up to Troxx (or someone else) to provide evidence that the DPS would change in a group setting. That is the current claim to try and invalidate my data, with no proof whatsoever.

It is also up to Troxx to provide evidence that he actually admits is accurate. Currently he claims all of his data is off due to parser error.

I have provided solid evidence that cannot be faked. The ball is in the court of the opposing side to prove my evidence is not accurate in a group setting, and/or Mage DPS is actually higher that what Troxx has provided.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do not need to. The data I have provided would be the same in a group.

It is up to Troxx (or someone else) to provide evidence that the DPS would change in a group setting. That is the current claim to try and invalidate my data, with no proof whatsoever.

It is also up to Troxx to provide evidence that he actually admits is accurate. Currently he claims all of his data is off due to parser error.

1: The parser isn't broken. Everyone knows when you combine fights your overall DPS numbers get skewed. Enough of this nonsense. There isn't a bug in the parser it's working just fine.

2: Your data is extremely flawed. Soloing a mob then pretending you'd do the same numbers in a fast killing chain pulling group is fucking absurd and that's why everyone is dismissing your "data". If you want to test something in a specific scenario you can't test a different scenario and claim it's the same thing. I know you aren't the sharpest crayon in the box but I think even you can understand that's not how you test things if you want real results.

3: I didn't even say autism in this one

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1: The parser isn't broken. Everyone knows when you combine fights your overall DPS numbers get skewed. Enough of this nonsense. There isn't a bug in the parser it's working just fine.

2: Your data is extremely flawed. Soloing a mob then pretending you'd do the same numbers in a fast killing chain pulling group is fucking absurd and that's why everyone is dismissing your "data". If you want to test something in a specific scenario you can't test a different scenario and claim it's the same thing. I know you aren't the sharpest crayon in the box but I think even you can understand that's not how you test things if you want real results.

"Everybody knows" isn't an argument, it is a fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum . If you claim there isn't a bug in the parser, then the numbers are accurate lol, no skewing involved. By your own admission, Mage average DPS is 80, and it matches the average DPS you get when you simply math it out.

Please prove my data is "extremely flawed". Being in a group doesn't change a Mobs stats. A Mage could even do the same test that I provided if they want. We have no way to know how Troxx even got his parse data, due to it just being a screenshot.

The ball is still in your court lol.

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By all means, keep telling yourself that. Neither you, nor I, nor anyone is believing this now.

Your beliefs are irrelevant to the truth. The truth is you have no evidence to counter mine, or back up your propositions.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Everybody knows" isn't an argument, it is a fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum . If you claim there isn't a bug in the parser, then the numbers are accurate lol, no skewing involved. By your own admission, Mage average DPS is 80.

Please prove my data is "extremely flawed". Being in a group doesn't change a Mobs stats. A Mage could even do the same test that I provided if they want. We have no way to know how Troxx even got his parse data, due to it just being a screenshot.

The ball is still in your court lol.



Your beliefs are irrelevant to the truth, which is you have no evidence to counter mine, or back up your propositions.

A group with 2 or more charm pets the mobs are dying in like less than 30 seconds. Obviously 5% more slow is a HUGE DEAL so you're obviously slowing every mob right? Once mob comes in and you cast malo + slow and get your first dot applied (assuming no resists) you're gonna get like 2 ticks before it dies. Best case scenario you get 2 dots up and get like 2 ticks each. This is EXTREMELY inefficient from a DPM perspective. No amount of canni/torpor makes this efficient or sustainable in a fast moving chain pulling group. Contrary to what you seem to believe you can't cast canni and torpor WHILE casting dots and malo/slow. You can only cast 1 spell at a time in the game of EverQuest and they tend to have long-ish cast times and multiple charms make mobs die very quickly.

Mage pet does its full DPS from the literal second the mob comes into camp and all their DPS is frontload-able via nukes which are OBVIOUSLY superior to dots when fighting stuff that dies quickly. Would you rather spend 7 seconds and 320 mana to do 1024 damage from a mage nuke on a mob thats gonna die in 30 sec or spend 5 seconds and 430 mana to apply a dot that will do 111 a tick and if you're lucky will tick 3 times? The only way your stupid ass theory works is if the shaman is root rotting adds off to the side which fucking nobody ever does or wants to do besides you.

[slard271]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...snip... The only way your stupid ass theory works is if the shaman is root rotting adds off to the side which fucking nobody ever does or wants to do besides you.

Why did I actually read this entire trainwreck of a thread? The above sums it up in its entirety. I mean, for reals, objectively lawlz at this being a proposed meta in a fast-paced group chewing through mobs on p99 period let alone in this fantasy scenario. No skin in the game either way from a random observer perspective, but.... just... lawlz. Time to take the L on this one, Mr. Shaman.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by slard271 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why did I actually read this entire trainwreck of a thread? The above sums it up in its entirety. I mean, for reals, objectively lawlz at this being a proposed meta in a fast-paced group chewing through mobs on p99 period let alone in this fantasy scenario. No skin in the game either way from a random observer perspective, but.... just... lawlz. Time to take the L on this one, Mr. Shaman.

Come back with evidence and I gladly will take an L. So far I have the W, however.