Trak Rotation

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Originally Posted by vinx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

dense..
your DA obsession is clearly affecting your umm.. you know what?
your post resembles the nearly 691 other posts you posted, so idk how that is relevant to this or any thread
actually i take that back, half your posts are about vztz so i guess this post resembles 345 other posts you've posted
you have 2 crusades going on and they are both getting.. well this isnt RnF..
anyway,.

Mobilization may work on lesser targets (in your world harrison) but as i stated before everyone in a raid guild here is veterans.
everyone knows what targets are needed/wanted and they know the time it takes to key up a full guild for a zone rich
in dragon loots like VP
so to answer your "learn to mobilize" - you wont ever see trak on mobilization status during kunark.

and to ramble on some about the rotation, a rotation would be very risky for 2 large guilds that want VP access..
rotation = longer key route.
in a rotation you basically open up the possibility for other guilds capable of killing trak (but dont like the poopsock)
so, rotation now means less than the 50/50 that your guild is currently getting..
it may be split that way on the calendar between the two warring guilds, but your still looking at months of work
now your squeezing in another 1-3 other capable guilds in for 1 kill = longer key route for the 2 contesting guilds..
and with the intense rivalry and history of IB/DA (not so much TMO) its very unlikely you will see an agreed upon rotation.
(or one that is sustainable for very long)
so basically, the only real way for other guilds to get keys is to step into some socks and join the slumber party.

I know there are at least 2-3 other guilds capable of trak, but refuse to participate in this sock method,
so talkin about a rotation as if only 2 guilds would be involved is pretty lol
even mentioning rotation will get other guilds to step up and try to stake their claim


on a positive note:
our timeline here is slower then live, so there is a possibility that other guilds start getting trak by velious.

you mean that if TMO and TR alternate each spawn and back of each other's that some other guild would be interested in racing/socking against TMO/TR? lol


They aren't doing it now, they wouldn't do it then.

[vinx]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you mean that if TMO and TR alternate each spawn and back of each other's that some other guild would be interested in racing/socking against TMO/TR? lol


They aren't doing it now, they wouldn't do it then.

Are you new here?? get real
given the chance.. like this rotation idea you will see others step up that dont want to bother with socking

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Originally Posted by vinx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you new here?? get real
given the chance.. like this rotation idea you will see others step up that dont want to bother with socking

yeah i'm new here...

do you not think that if Tmo and TR split Trak right now that if another guild "stepped" up that they would still have to deal with either TMO or TR or both?

In terms, they would end up doing what TMO/TR are doing right now. If the guilds don't want it bad enough now, they would just give up then.

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Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah i'm new here...

do you not think that if Tmo and TR split Trak right now that if another guild "stepped" up that they would still have to deal with either TMO or TR or both?

In terms, they would end up doing what TMO/TR are doing right now. If the guilds don't want it bad enough now, they would just give up then.

your reading comprehension amazes me..
i said they dont like to bother with socking.. if given an oppurtinity like a rotation then yea ofc they are going to voice a position.

if there was a 2 guild split rotation like you say.. its still doubtful
but maybe, since then they would only have to sock with 1 guild vs 2
but then the rotation doesnt solve anything does it?

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Originally Posted by vinx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

your reading comprehension amazes me..
i said they dont like to bother with socking.. if given an oppurtinity like a rotation then yea ofc they are going to voice a position.

if there was a 2 guild split rotation like you say.. its still doubtful
but maybe, since then they would only have to sock with 1 guild vs 2
but then the rotation doesnt solve anything does it?

why would TMO and TR allow other guilds (who currently don't want it bad enough) to be allowed in a rotation? TMO/TR fight it out so every other guild can benefit? seems more unlikely than TMO/TR agreeing to the 2guild split.


Sorry, I wasn't aware we were talking about rolling over for every other guild.

[vinx]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

why would TMO and TR allow other guilds (who currently don't want it bad enough) to be allowed in a rotation? TMO/TR fight it out so every other guild can benefit? seems more unlikely than TMO/TR agreeing to the 2guild split.


Sorry, I wasn't aware we were talking about rolling over for every other guild.

your question is a good one.. but im not the person you should be askin that of
i think that would be better directed at the OP of the thread

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Originally Posted by vinx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

your question is a good one.. but im not the person you should be askin that of
i think that would be better directed at the OP of the thread

Originally Posted by Zereh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess when another guild thinks they're ready to try Trak they would need to poopsock their way into a few kills (against either TR or TMO or against both TR and TMO) before they get added to the rotation. <-- Don't know about this ... haven't really thought it out thoroughly.

^ this is basically what I was going off, and what I thought you were talkin about on a rotation, not a server wide rotation.

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TR wanted the competition, so they got it. Competing in this case means being the first to engage, so the winning strategy is to be ready to engage the mob before your competition does.

TR corners the market on mobilization. They know this, the server knows this. Bat phone. Ability to log in at 3am as if they don't have to go to work the next morning. They define this as "wanting it bad enough."

How do you compete against that? Well, you simply take their ability to mobilize out of the equation by poopsocking at the spawn point, as we see time and time again. That forces them to compete on that level, forcing the poopsocking escalation. And also kinda makes them complain that the one key advantage they have is being circumvented. Now "wanting it bad enough" means who is willing to sit logged in with a raid force for days at a time.

So, the way I see it, TR created this situation by inviting competition, assuming the opposition was actually going to try to compete where TR had the advantage (i.e. mobilization), and instead, to their own detriment, having the opposition eliminate that advantage and instead "playing to win." And now it sucks for everyone involved because it was never about "who can mobilize faster?", it was only about "who gets the Trak kill, whatever it takes?"