Solo Barbarian Shaman Stat Allocation

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are just being a spoiled child. You are angry because your "reasons" for picking STA aren't very good, which is why I didn't include them. In reality (not Loramin world), 75HP at level 60 or 30ish HP at level 30 isn't going to help you in a significant way. That is fact, regardless of whether you can accept it. Removing the need for a buff is going to factually help you more than 75HP, and thus it is worth mentioning.

WIS is harder to cap, and thus in general you will get a better stat distribution when starting with points in WIS. You will cap STA and have higher WIS simultaneously. Don't take my word for it, look at all the Shaman items in the game and all the buffs. You will see it is easier to cap STA in this era, without raid gear.

There really is no other way to see it. STA and WIS only increase HP/Mana, so the scope of how the starting stats affect your gameplay is quite narrow. It isn't some starry field with endless possibilities.

Unlike you, I don't need to resort to insults or personal attacks to make a logical argument.

Simple question: which is more valuable to a Shaman leveling up: HP or mana? Which will make them level faster?

I submit that HP will. As evidence, I've never in my leveling life ever (not even once) died because I started a fight at max mana, burned through 100% of it, and then died because I didn't have more mana. But I have died (many times) when I started at max HP, burned through all my HP, and died for lack of a few more.

To be clear, if you're not starting at max, your maximums are irrelevant: if you start a fight with 500 mana, it doesn't matter whether you could have started that fight with 600 mana or 6000 mana.

So, what's your evidence that having more maximum mana helps you level faster? Or do you agree, HP will help you level faster?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unlike you, I don't need to resort to insults or personal attacks to make a logical argument.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I keep making the same points, and you keep ignoring them and not offering any evidence to the contrary ... but you've won the discussion because you declare it so. I bow down to your superior EQ knowledge.

I'm a human trying to have a conversation: converse with me, talk about what I'm talking about ... don't chime in with a two sentence sound bite that ignores every point I've made and declare you've won the (imaginary) battle in your head.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually, OP's mind seemed pretty peaceful on page 1, long before you entered the chat:

I think your posts had nothing to do with wanting to set anyone's mind to peace, and everything to do with you proclaiming how smart you are, and how right your opinions are.

Honest question: Do you have memory issues? You started the insults and personal attacks in this thread, and your last one was a page ago. I am just responding in kind. If you want to avoid personal attacks, don't start them[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Simple question: which is more valuable to a Shaman leveling up: HP or mana? Which will make them level faster?

I submit that HP will. As evidence, I've never in my leveling life ever (not even once) died because I started a fight at max mana, burned through 100% of it, and then died because I didn't have more mana. But I have died (many times) when I started at max HP, burned through all my HP, and died for lack of a few more.

To be clear, if you're not starting at max, your maximums are irrelevant: if you start a fight with 500 mana, it doesn't matter whether you could have started that fight with 600 mana or 6000 mana.

So, what's your evidence that having more maximum mana helps you level faster? Or do you agree, HP will help you level faster?

This question has been answered thoroughly in this thread. You need to re-read it, because you clearly cannot be bothered to read.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honest question: Do you have memory issues? You started the insults and personal attacks in this thread, and your last one was a page ago. I am just responding in kind. If you want to avoid personal attacks, don't start them[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I suppose I could be more respectful, but I never resorted to name-calling (eg. "spoiled child") or attacks as part of my arguments. To the contrary, the only "personal attack" I made against you was completely separate from any argument, and was simply me describing an unflattering pattern of behavior of yours:

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think your posts had nothing to do with wanting to set anyone's mind to peace, and everything to do with you proclaiming how smart you are, and how right your opinions are.

And there is evidence for my point! When you first participated in this very thread you ignored the OP's question (ie. the topic of discussion), and rather than say something to put his mind at peace, you talked about how he made the wrong decision because when he has his VP Hammer he'll hit his cap.

Meanwhile, when it comes to making rational arguments, you pull crap like this as soon as I make a good one:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This question has been answered thoroughly in this thread. You need to re-read it, because you clearly cannot be bothered to read.

Oh the irony ... coming from the guy talking about how caps will be hit by raiders ... in a thread about non-raiding Shaman.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I suppose I could be more respectful, but I never resorted to name-calling (eg. "spoiled child") or attacks as part of my arguments. To the contrary, the only "personal attack" I made against you was completely separate from any argument, and was simply me describing an unflattering pattern of behavior of yours:



And there is evidence for my point! When you first participated in this very thread you ignored the OP's question (ie. the topic of discussion), and rather than say something to put his mind at peace, you talked about how he made the wrong decision because when he has his VP Hammer he'll hit his cap.

Meanwhile, when it comes to making rational arguments, you pull crap like this as soon as I make a good one:



Oh the irony ... coming from the guy talking about how caps will be hit by raiders ... in a thread about non-raiding Shaman.

I am responding in kind to your posts. Claiming someone is "having an imaginary battle in their head" with literally no evidence is being disrespectful and insulting. You may not have to social capacity to understand that, but that doesn't mean you are in the right here[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Next time just stick to the facts, and there won't be any insults and disrespect coming back at you.

I am being serious about my response. Multiple users have answered this exact same question multiple times, and you ignored each post. I am not going to post the same information again just so you can ignore it again. You must have skipped over them, or sped read them poorly.

[loramin]

So you said:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just to be thorough, there is one reason why you would want to dump into STA as your starting stat.

Then I tried to point there is more than one reason, and that you are incorrect, and you respond:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Multiple users have answered this exact same question multiple times, and you ignored each post. I am not going to post the same information again just so you can ignore it again. You must have skipped over them, or sped read them poorly.

Well, DeathsSilkyMist has declared there is only one reason on page 18, and now if anyone tries to show he's wrong, he'll just refuse to argue and refer them to the previous 18 pages ... without any specific logical refutation whatsoever. Seems like he has a solid argument to me [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Meanwhile, it seems to me if something has been repeated multiple times already, and is central to the entire case you're so confident you're making, it should be trivial for you to summarize it in only a few sentences. But what do I know?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Loramin: Tries to point there is more than one reason, and DeathsSilkyMist is incorrect.,



Well, DeathsSilkyMist has declared there is only one reason on page 18, and now if anyone tries to show he's wrong, he'll just refuse to argue and refer them to the previous 18 pages without any specific logical refutation whatsoever. Seems like a solid argument to me.

Meanwhile, it seems to me if something has been repeated multiple times already, and is central to your entire logical argument, it should be trivial for you to summarize it in only a few sentences. But what do I know? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only reason why you think this is because you didn't read all of the posts earlier in the thread detailing why STA isn't relevant while leveling. It is not my fault you missed all those posts.

I have summarized it in a few sentences multiple times lol, something you don't know because you didn't read the thread.

[loramin]

You seem to equate "not reading" with "not agreeing with you". I'm sure it's easy to win every argument when you can simply reduce all opposition that way.

And yet ... wasn't it you (in a post made directly to me) who wrote:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread is also not just for OP, since other people besides him read it. It isn't like each thread is restricted to being read by OP alone.

I guess the last thing those "other people" will read in this thread ... other than you avoiding addressing my point for (now) fourteen sentences ... is my very reasonable/logical point that:

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've never in my leveling life ever (not even once) died because I started a fight at max mana, burned through 100% of it, and then died because I didn't have more mana. But I have died (many times) when I started at max HP, burned through all my HP, and died for lack of a few more.

And I'm ok with that [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You seem to equate "not reading" with "not agreeing with you". I'm sure it's easy to win every argument when you can simply reduce all opposition that way.

And yet ... wasn't it you (in a post made directly to me) who wrote:



I guess the last thing those "other people" will read in this thread ... other than you avoiding addressing my point for (now) fourteen sentences ... is my very reasonable/logical point that:



And I'm ok with that [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have shown you cannot bother to read what people post, and then you mark it as a "victory". Anybody can read this thread and find all the information they could possibly want, with the exception of yourself apparently.