Solo Barbarian Shaman Stat Allocation

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What level do you realistically plan to take it to, what level of gear will you start/end with and how/where will you play.

Jimjam asking the important questions. OP, if you're not planning to join a high-end raid guild and earn a bunch of really high-end gear, Wisdom is a less ideal choice, because Stamina is far more important for Shaman.

There are long posts explaining this further but in short, hit points keep us alive AND let us cast spells: mana just lets us cast spells. Personally, I can't think of any encounter where you fail by running out of mana because your starting mana total wasn't high enough ... certainly none that don't involve high-end raiding (ie. you might fail in a group or long solo fight because you didn't regenerate mana fast enough, but that's different from not having high enough max mana to start). +6 Dragons, PoM mobs, and all the really hard Shaman solos are about casting Cannabalize a ton during the fight, not starting with 50 more mana.

So Stamina rocks ... but you won't max stamina unless you have tons of high-end gear. I played Loramin on Blue for at least half a decade, yet I never got him true "high-end gear". He just has "best in slot" gear for a non-raider or casual guild raider ... which doesn't suck either: a full suit of TOV armor (except for a Vindi BP upgrade), Lodi Shield, +6 neck, Shawl, the Chardok ring, etc. I still have a few more things to acquire (eg. Spirit Wracked Cord) ...

... and yet, Loramin only has 175 stamina. That's 225 self-buffed, which is still more than 25 away from the cap. Also, I think I put most/all of my starting points into Stamina.

If you're not planning to join the Riot/Aftermath/Kingdom/Seal Team/whatever top-end guild, and do a ton of raiding, you'll be better off putting the points into Stamina. But if you do (and we're talking about not just getting to 60 and joining that guild, but also earning and spending tens of thousands of DKP on gear) then, as others have noted, Wisdom will be the harder stat to max than Stamina.

[Mankong]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jimjam asking the important questions. OP, if you're not planning to join a high-end raid guild and earn a bunch of really high-end gear, Wisdom is a less ideal choice, because Stamina is far more important for Shaman.

There are long posts explaining this further but in short, hit points keep us alive AND let us cast spells: mana just lets us cast spells. And personally, I can't think of any encounter where you fail by running out of mana because your starting mana total wasn't high enough ... certainly none that don't involve high-end raiding (ie. you might fail in a group or long solo fight because you didn't regenerate mana fast enough, but that's different from not having high enough max mana).

So Stamina rocks ... but you won't max stamina unless you have tons of high-end gear. I played Loramin on Blue for at least half a decade. He doesn't have "high-end gear", but his gear doesn't suck either: a full suit of TOV armor (except for a Vindi BP upgrade), Lodi Shield, +6 neck, Shawl, the Chardok ring, etc. I still have a few more things to acquire (eg. Spirit Wracked Cord), but largely Loramin has "best in slot" gear, for a non-raider or casual guild raider ...

... and Loramin has 175 stamina. That's 225 self-buffed, which is still more than 25 away from the cap. Also, I think I put most/all of my starting points into Stamina.

If you're not planning to join the Riot/Aftermath/Kingdom/Seal Team/whatever top-end guild, and do a ton of raiding, you'll be better off putting the points into Stamina. But if you do (and we're talking spending tens of thousands of DKP on gear here) then, as others have noted, Wisdom will be the harder stat to max than Stamina.

Thank you for your input, this touches on my concerns nicely [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Yeah, I was planning on primarily soloing and adventuring, maybe the odd group here or there but I wasn’t exactly planning on raiding. I think I’ll go stamina then.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Mankong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you for your input, this touches on my concerns nicely [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Yeah, I was planning on primarily soloing and adventuring, maybe the odd group here or there but I wasn’t exactly planning on raiding. I think I’ll go stamina then.

Glad I could help. To be fair, people sometimes change their minds about raiding when they get "Shaman level 61" (ie. 60 + Torpor).

But even if you do, putting those points in stamina won't take away from your high-end raiding fun in any way ... unless the only way you can have fun is to have the maximum possible Sta/Wis when you do [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Mankong]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Glad I could help. To be fair, people sometimes change their minds about raiding when they get "Shaman level 61" (ie. 60 + Torpor).

But even if you do, putting those points in stamina won't take away from your high-end raiding fun in any way ... unless the only way you can have fun is to have the maximum possible Sta/Wis when you do [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don’t mind it as much if I do give in to do raids hahaha, Thanks again!

[ArbiterBlixen]

Don’t listen to loramin. Wis is absolutely the way to go.

It’s going to be a difference of 75hp and very likely nearly 300 mana.

If you’re in pre raid gear, like loramin is in, most if not all 25 of that wis will be sub 200. Meaning 12mana per wis.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by ArbiterBlixen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don’t listen to loramin. Wis is absolutely the way to go.

It’s going to be a difference of 75hp and very likely nearly 300 mana.

If you’re in pre raid gear, like loramin is in, most if not all 25 of that wis will be sub 200. Meaning 12mana per wis.

And what good will that extra mana do you in a high-end fight?

I don't mean that in a "do you even solo bro?" way [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I truly mean: have you soloed WW dragons, or A4 PoM, or any similar tough spot (eg. I know people like to do efreetii in Sol B)? Because if we're talking about killing geonids or something, let's be honest: at 60, with Torpor, your gear basically doesn't matter.

But if you're doing something hard, what matters is "can you live long enough to land a slow" ... and more mana won't help at all with that (you'll run out of HP long before you run out of mana). Once the mob is slowed, you're set on mana (thanks to Torpor and Cannabalize), so your starting max is irrelevant.

[ArbiterBlixen]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And what good will that extra mana do you in a high-end fight?

I don't mean that in a "do you even solo bro?" way [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I truly mean: have you soloed WW dragons, or A4 PoM, or any similar tough spot (eg. I know people like to do efreetii in Sol B)? Because if we're talking about killing geonids or something, let's be honest: at 60, with Torpor, your gear basically doesn't matter.

But if you're doing something hard, what matters is "can you live long enough to land a slow" ... and more mana won't help at all with that (you'll run out of HP long before you run out of mana). Once the mob is slowed, you're set on mana (thanks to Torpor and Cannabalize), so your starting max is irrelevant.

First let me say. None of the "tough spots" you listed are remotely hard. But that's besides the point. 300 mana is better than 75hp for a shaman. Objectively.