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Old 07-01-2022, 01:38 PM
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Before you saw the Matrix though you wouldn't have asked yourself if you were living in the Matrix. Somebody very recently came along and implanted that new idea in your head which you're now repeating. But there was a time when you would not have thought about such things.

Is god existing a new idea like the Matrix is?

Let's imagine there are no atheists/christians/hollywood in the world.

You look up at the moon. What do you say?

"God doesn't exist"?
"Am I living in the Matrix?"
"Who created that?"
No, probably not, if I had no knowledge of the intellectual discourse the came before me. But that is not the case.

It's not like this is a new conversation. People have been talking about this sort of thing for millennia. That laid a groundwork of rigor around "thinking" that modern-day people can build upon.

While the "Matrix" is new, the idea it expresses is not. Epistemologists have just been using different examples. The Matrix is just the latest incarnation.
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Old 07-01-2022, 01:59 PM
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No, probably not, if I had no knowledge of the intellectual discourse the came before me. But that is not the case.

It's not like this is a new conversation. People have been talking about this sort of thing for millennia. That laid a groundwork of rigor around "thinking" that modern-day people can build upon.

While the "Matrix" is new, the idea it expresses is not. Epistemologists have just been using different examples. The Matrix is just the latest incarnation.
Do you also ask yourself if you're Snow White and the Seven dwarves or is it just the Matrix you compare real life to?

The problem I have with you is that everything you say is not your original idea, you weren't there, and you have no proof whatsoever. You're like a parrot.

I look up at the moon and ask "Who created that"?

You come along and say, "Nobody. It's not even real. We could be Snow White and the Seven Dwarves. There's no way of knowing.".
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Old 07-01-2022, 04:57 PM
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Do you also ask yourself if you're Snow White and the Seven dwarves or is it just the Matrix you compare real life to?

The problem I have with you is that everything you say is not your original idea, you weren't there, and you have no proof whatsoever. You're like a parrot.

I look up at the moon and ask "Who created that"?

You come along and say, "Nobody. It's not even real. We could be Snow White and the Seven Dwarves. There's no way of knowing.".
You know what? Fine I’m a Parrot. None of my ideas are original. I’ll concede that point, its not a big deal.

However, you’re pretending that your not a parrot as well.

You think you’re the first person to, “look up at the moon and ask ‘Who created that?’ “

All I’m saying is, how do you know its a “who”? A less loaded way to ask that question would be:

“How did it get there?”

Thanks to the scientific method, We’ve got a pretty good idea. It was probably a chunk of the Earth that broke off during a collision in the early Solar System.

Beyond that, the Moon helped stabilize Earth’s wobbly rotation which contributed to making life on Earth possible.

Its actually kind of an amazing, awe-inspiring story.

Ironically, ancient humans who worshiped the moon as some sort of life giving god, weren't to far off the mark.

Collision That Formed The Moon
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Old 07-01-2022, 05:06 PM
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You know what? Fine I’m a Parrot. None of my ideas are original. I’ll concede that point, its not a big deal.

However, you’re pretending that your not a parrot as well.

You think you’re the first person to, “look up at the moon and ask ‘Who created that?’ “

All I’m saying is, how do you know its a “who”? A less loaded way to ask that question would be:

“How did it get there?”

Thanks to the scientific method, We’ve got a pretty good idea. It was probably a chunk of the Earth that broke off during a collision in the early Solar System.

Beyond that, the Moon helped stabilize Earth’s wobbly rotation which contributed to making life on Earth possible.

Its actually kind of an amazing, awe-inspiring story.

Ironically, ancient humans who worshiped the moon as some sort of life giving god, weren't to far off the mark.

Collision That Formed The Moon
I'll tell you the problem with the scientific power that you're using here: it didn't require any discipline to attain it.

You read what others had done and you took the next step.

You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility for it.

You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could and before you even knew what you had, you patented it and packaged it and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox, and now you're selling it, you want to sell it!
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