When are they Implementing the Charm Nerf?

[commongood]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bristlebane (a "blue" server).

I had a toon on Sullon Zek, but I don't think I ever got him past 20.

Fair. Reason I was asking was that red vs blue would have a pretty significant impact as to the frequency of casual charming in exp groups etc. I played a chanter on Tallon Zek from 2000 2006 and I don't remember charming at all for exp during my initial Kunark and Velious play time. However that was also very much to do with the risks of getting ganked by pvp'ers. It felt like in many scenarios it was just completely untennable.

Biggest memory I have of charming-soloing was much later (in PoP) where I would solo in Bastion of Thunder and Plane of Valor for exp and profits.

Though my memory is extremely hazy - which I suspect is the caze for many people replying to threads here [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[loramin]

Originally Posted by commongood [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fair. Reason I was asking was that red vs blue would have a pretty significant impact as to the frequency of casual charming in exp groups etc. I played a chanter on Tallon Zek from 2000 2006 and I don't remember charming at all for exp during my initial Kunark and Velious play time. However that was also very much to do with the risks of getting ganked by pvp'ers. It felt like in many scenarios it was just completely untennable.

Biggest memory I have of charming-soloing was much later (in PoP) where I would solo in Bastion of Thunder and Plane of Valor for exp and profits.

Though my memory is extremely hazy - which I suspect is the caze for many people replying to threads here [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My central argument in this fight has always been "what does everyone remember from classic ('99-'01)?" And again, if you ask anyone except a P99 Enchanter player, they'll tell you: Enchanters were a grouping class (even though there were plenty of soloing classes, like Necros or Druids; it's not like everyone in classic grouped exclusively or anything).

But also we have more objective sources than just people's memories. You can find Enchanter guides on Caster's Realm archives, Enchanter discussions on Allakhazam archives, and so on. And they'll say the same thing: charm soloing was a thing in classic! It was also super risky and dangerous ... and most preferred groups because that was the safer/faster-in-the-long-run way to get XP.

I'm not trying to get charm soloing removed from P99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Heck, I plan to play an Enchanter on Green 2.0.

I just want it to be classically hard like it should be. Smarter people than me have said the reason is that our resist rates are off, but I don't know if that's the issue or not: all I know is our Enchanters aren't classic.

[commongood]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My central argument in this fight has always been "what does everyone remember from classic ('99-'01)?" And again, if you ask anyone except a P99 Enchanter player, they'll tell you: Enchanters were a grouping class.

That’s a pretty big leap. I’m not a fan of arguments like “ask anyone, they’ll all confirm my point of view”.

I’m not saying I feel certain one way or another. I’m sure, if compelling evidence is found that things need changing it will happen eventually.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by commongood [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That’s a pretty big leap. I’m not a fan of arguments like “ask anyone, they’ll all confirm my point of view”.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But also we have more objective sources than just people's memories. You can find Enchanter guides on Caster's Realm archives, Enchanter discussions on Allakhazam archives, and so on. And they'll say the same thing: charm soloing was a thing in classic! It was also super risky and dangerous ... and most preferred groups because that was the safer/faster-in-the-long-run way to get XP.

[-Catherin-]

Originally Posted by commongood [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fair. Reason I was asking was that red vs blue would have a pretty significant impact as to the frequency of casual charming in exp groups etc. I played a chanter on Tallon Zek from 2000 2006 and I don't remember charming at all for exp during my initial Kunark and Velious play time. However that was also very much to do with the risks of getting ganked by pvp'ers. It felt like in many scenarios it was just completely untennable.

Biggest memory I have of charming-soloing was much later (in PoP) where I would solo in Bastion of Thunder and Plane of Valor for exp and profits.

Though my memory is extremely hazy - which I suspect is the caze for many people replying to threads here [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I started using charm a lot more during PoP as well. charm never recieved any kind of buffs from vanilla to this period (unless you counted dire charm, but dire charm was close to useless imo, and not what this conversation is about anyways). I would duo things like Wuoshi with a Druid partner with their CH. (Giants were immune to fear so they could actually take down Wuoshi).

The assumptions that people with only P99 enchanter experience have these opinions is wrong. Enchanter was my main on live. While i did plenty of the group/animation role as mentioned, I also did plenty of the charming too.

Another one i had fun with was charming those frogs in the plane of storms. I think that was the name? the one outside bastion of thunder. You could use those frogs to take down the giants that dropped the pieces for the key quest to enter that bastion, and I made a TON of plat doing that. Getting entry that way did not count as one of the flags to access the higher planes, but a lot of people didnt care about that.

Again though, this is us just throwing around our "experiences" so its not going to change a thing. id personlly welcome the change though. It would actually make charming easier for the content that really counts.

[-Catherin-]

Just to pre-emptively respond to what I know is coming. I know these examples are out of era. but the point is that charm still functioned roughly the same as it always had.