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[Tunabros]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kingdom's a really great guild if you're hardcore.

If you're casual it's still good ... just less good. There's the aforementioned dues, as well as the (expensive) item requirements, but all high-end guilds have those to some extent, not just Kingdom. There's also the fact that you have to pay hundreds of DKP for a Sleeper's key when all the hardcore people got them loot council-ed for free (sadly that's a uniquely Kingdom thing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]).

But none of that is insurmountable, and it's still a guild (the only?) where you can see top-end raids and get top-end loot as a casual ... you just have to accept that the guild is run by/for the hardcore people.

That is not entirely true. I have a 30-40 percent RA and play super casually. I still get

ton of mid tier loot without putting too much effort. kingdom is a great guild for anyone

if they want to experience endgame raiding on p99 without the stress of game over

life

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Tunabros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is not entirely true. I have a 30-40 percent RA and play super casually. I still get

ton of mid tier loot without putting too much effort. kingdom is a great guild for anyone

if they want to experience endgame raiding on p99 without the stress of game over

life

First off, what's with the William Shatner post formatting? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Originally Posted by Tunabros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is not entirely true. I have a 30-40 percent RA and play super casually.

I mean, the definition of "casual" is subjective I guess, but ... Kingdom went on nearly three hundred (285) raids in the last thirty days: you'd really say that going to 114 raids in a month (3.8 a day!) is casual?

Originally Posted by Tunabros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

kingdom is a great guild for anyone

It is! But at the end of the day it's a guild for hardcore raiders first and foremost.

The fact that the guild's least casual players all got free loot-council-ed Sleeper's keys, while everyone else (ie. the casuals of the guild) have to pay hundreds (or perhaps even 1000+?) DKP for them is all the proof anyone needs of that.

[Tunabros]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Second:



I mean, the definition of "casual" is subjective I guess, but ... Kingdom went on nearly three hundred (285) raids in the last thirty days: you'd really say that going to 114 raids in a month (3.8 a day!) is casual?

Do you even raid in kingdom? DKP is given out based on hours on some and attempts.

there isn't actually "300" raids in a month

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Tunabros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you even raid in kingdom? DKP is given out based on hours on some and attempts.

there isn't actually "300" raids in a month

When you don't like someone's argument, but you can't really argue against it, so you ignore it and focus on one small detail you can argue with ... you're arguing unfairly. It's a logical fallacy, specifically the fallacy of incomplete evidence, aka the fallacy of "cherry-picking".

Yes, Kingdom will sometimes enter multiple "raids" in the system for one event. For instance, Ring Wars count as "three raids" in that sense, because they last a really long time and we take attendance after each hour (plus we have on-time DKP).

But again, pointing that fact out doesn't refute my argument in anyway. If you're raiding so much that on average you're doing more than a Ring War (ie. 3.8 "raids") every single day: you are not a casual. At least by most people's definitions (again, anyone can call themselves a "casual" if they want).

P.S. And BTW:

Do you even raid in kingdom?

Is a fallacious argument also: it's an Ad Hominem attack. I have been a member for over a year (ie. since the start of 2021: longer than you?) ... but even if I wasn't it changes nothing about my argument. Maybe try focusing on understanding/communicating with facts and reason instead of trying to make any argument you can, no matter how dishonest?

I think once you look at the facts, there's no way you can argue that casuals are equal members in Kingdom. You can't be an equal member when the rest of the guild is getting free Sleeper Keys and you aren't ... and I don't see how any amount of arguing (honest or otherwise) can change that fact.