Dont cross the streams!

[ya.dingus]

Originally Posted by eisley [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not gonna happen. Think of how few people have Guises of the Deceiver or other rare/legacy items or simply lots of raid gear(ed alts) on Blue. That's the playerbase. Directly pissing them off and invalidating their time spent (as well as murkying of server history - p99 Blue was very much it's own thing just as eqlive 1999 was.) seem like an unwise decision.

Blue will always stay as blue always was, the test server. Green will become Greener and then Green and Greener will merge eventually, when it's time for Greenerer.

Much like Red, Green attracts novelty players. Blue has the majority of the players who've been around a bit. I realized the other day, I was 19 when I started p99. Not EQLive. Project 1999. I'm 32 now.

But, as we've already seen with Red and Green, novelty doesn't last.

Ultimately, it comes down to this -

Blue has lasted 13 years.

Green will last until there's a new Green or the novelty players realize the Devs aren't stupid enough to do something would undoubtedly be the most controversial decision in the games' history.

Think of Green as what it is and always has been meant to be - a TLPS. Nothing wrong with that. But if you think they're gonna transfer 1,000 Guises onto a flagship 13 y/o server with <50 active Guises, you may not have thought this through.

Hits nail on the head.

I'll be very forward and tell you at least my perspective. I don't like playing on blue anymore. Between the economy, the history of the server, and the less than classic mechanics than green, it's just not a great server.

I get historically people have invested a lot into it, but as far as the project, the dedicated blue playerbase is at least a 3rd to half the playerbase of green.

Most people that play on geen want a fresh start, and dumping their characters into a server that isn't broken as all hell, from raid scene to economy, just because a smaller section of blue players are sweating that their legacy chars are about to be outdated by a new server is making the majority confirm to the minority. And that's nonsense.


I'm not accusing anyone, but a lot of the general opinions coming from people saying "marge green and blue" are tainted by the idea that their server is outdated and legacy, and rather accept that their glory days on a fundamentally broken environment on blue are over, they're attempting to force the entire community just to maintain their lead over anyone.

It's a bad move.

[Allishia]

I think you got it backwards....blue is here to stay..green is the server intended to keep resetting /nod

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by ya.dingus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hits nail on the head.

I'll be very forward and tell you at least my perspective. I don't like playing on blue anymore. Between the economy, the history of the server, and the less than classic mechanics than green, it's just not a great server.

I get historically people have invested a lot into it, but as far as the project, the dedicated blue playerbase is at least a 3rd to half the playerbase of green.

Most people that play on geen want a fresh start, and dumping their characters into a server that isn't broken as all hell, from raid scene to economy, just because a smaller section of blue players are sweating that their legacy chars are about to be outdated by a new server is making the majority confirm to the minority. And that's nonsense.


I'm not accusing anyone, but a lot of the general opinions coming from people saying "marge green and blue" are tainted by the idea that their server is outdated and legacy, and rather accept that their glory days on a fundamentally broken environment on blue are over, they're attempting to force the entire community just to maintain their lead over anyone.

It's a bad move.

Every post reeks of "But what about my green pixels?!?!". You claim bias against blue players but you're equally/more biased in keeping your current green pixels/wealth more valuable and scared to death of getting merged into blue where your pixel wealth is devalued a little.

Take it from someone that doesn't actively play either server at the moment and therefore is unbiased as possible. P99 has had 1000-1500 peak players on a daily basis for the last 10+ years. It's not drastically going up or down anytime soon. Any additional server they make just takes numbers away from pre-existing ones. Green players taking a hit to their pixels via blue merge is SIGNIFICANTLY less damaging to the project overall than splitting a limited playerbase 3 (or 4 if u count red) ways. Having 2 servers with ~750 peak count is WAAAAAAAAAAAY better than 3 with ~500. I personally would prefer 1 server with 1000+ but that's just me.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every post reeks of "But what about my green pixels?!?!". You claim bias against blue players but you're equally/more biased in keeping your current green pixels/wealth more valuable and scared to death of getting merged into blue where your pixel wealth is devalued a little.

Take it from someone that doesn't actively play either server at the moment and therefore is unbiased as possible. P99 has had 1000-1500 peak players on a daily basis for the last 10+ years. It's not drastically going up or down anytime soon. Any additional server they make just takes numbers away from pre-existing ones. Green players taking a hit to their pixels via blue merge is SIGNIFICANTLY less damaging to the project overall than splitting a limited playerbase 3 (or 4 if u count red) ways. Having 2 servers with ~750 peak count is WAAAAAAAAAAAY better than 3 with ~500. I personally would prefer 1 server with 1000+ but that's just me.

Yup. There's zero negative impact to merging the servers in a year from now. Green will be (and already is really) very mudflated by then. Merge em, start a new Green for everyone to have a fresh start on and the Blue/Green merged server has your other chars there for whenever you want to play them.

If we had like 5k people playing P99 I'd say we could have 3 PvE servers, but the pop just doesn't support it. Even now tons of zones on Green and Blue are ghost towns outside of the typical "EXP highway" dungeons/grouping zones. The population almost can't sustain two servers at all...we're already extremely below the population of classic servers on live. A third server would destroy both Green and Blue...there would be no one to group with, the economies would become extremely stale, etc.

[ya.dingus]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yup. There's zero negative impact to merging the servers in a year from now. Green will be (and already is really) very mudflated by then. Merge em, start a new Green for everyone to have a fresh start on and the Blue/Green merged server has your other chars there for whenever you want to play them.

If we had like 5k people playing P99 I'd say we could have 3 PvE servers, but the pop just doesn't support it. Even now tons of zones on Green and Blue are ghost towns outside of the typical "EXP highway" dungeons/grouping zones. The population almost can't sustain two servers at all...we're already extremely below the population of classic servers on live. A third server would destroy both Green and Blue...there would be no one to group with, the economies would become extremely stale, etc.

I'll respond to each point directly, in the most poignant way possible to save everyone's time.

Green will be (and already is really) very mudflated by then.

This is simply not true. Multiple factors would need to occur beyond the passing of 12 more years, to reach the mudflation state that blue is in now.

Here are a few:

- Rampant RMT
- AOE Chardok groups and AOE limit being removed on green that existed on blue for 12 + years.
- Account Trading
- Mechanic Abuse that was never available on green that did exist or still exists on blue
- A Raid scene under multiple previous GMs that was not impartial

There's zero negative impact to merging the servers in a year from now.

Outside of the technical limitations of names colliding, or 8 character limits for people who used the same account their blue characters are on and now have a total amount of characters (Blue and Green combined) that can't be supported by the client once merged, the ecosystems/raid scenes/and atmosphere on green would be completely bashed by blue.


I also still see no good justification for explaining why the larger portion of the population who enjoy green and what if offers, should be subjected to rejoining blue's minority population.

Blue players are free to make a Green toon anytime without a detriment to their blue characters, economy, etc.

Whereas your solution, and forcing green to merge into blue, would effectively destroy the economy, the mechanics, and the environment that is offered by green, giving a one way only change that most green players will return to.

I hear you, the population is split, it's a problem. But your solution of maintaining status quo I humbly believe undermines a larger faction of players on p99.

Green is ending, and yet, more people still choose to play on Green rather than play on Blue. Why do you think that is?


Additionally - this isn't just about pixels, pixels are a byproduct of atmosphere, which I believe based on the clean history Green has, is superior to blue in basically everyway, from raid scene, to leveling scene/population spread, etc.


Merging Green into Blue is not the best idea in the room nor the best solution, and its many arguments are frankly lacking in justification.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by ya.dingus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll respond to each point directly, in the most poignant way possible to save everyone's time.



This is simply not true. Multiple factors would need to occur beyond the passing of 12 more years, to reach the mudflation state that blue is in now.

Here are a few:

- Rampant RMT
- AOE Chardok groups and AOE limit being removed on green that existed on blue for 12 + years.
- Account Trading
- Mechanic Abuse that was never available on green that did exist or still exists on blue
- A Raid scene under multiple previous GMs that was not impartial



Outside of the technical limitations of names colliding, or 8 character limits for people who used the same account their blue characters are on and now have a total amount of characters (Blue and Green combined) that can't be supported by the client once merged, the ecosystems/raid scenes/and atmosphere on green would be completely bashed by blue.


I also still see no good justification for explaining why the larger portion of the population who enjoy green and what if offers, should be subjected to rejoining blue's minority population.

Blue players are free to make a Green toon anytime without a detriment to their blue characters, economy, etc.

Whereas your solution, and forcing green to merge into blue, would effectively destroy the economy, the mechanics, and the environment that is offered by green, giving a one way only change that most green players will return to.

I hear you, the population is split, it's a problem. But your solution of maintaining status quo I humbly believe undermines a larger faction of players on p99.

Green is ending, and yet, more people still choose to play on Green rather than play on Blue. Why do you think that is?


Additionally - this isn't just about pixels, pixels are a byproduct of atmosphere, which I believe based on the clean history Green has, is superior to blue in basically everyway, from raid scene, to leveling scene/population spread, etc.


Merging Green into Blue is not the best idea in the room nor the best solution, and its many arguments are frankly lacking in justification.

That’s a lot of words to come to the conclusion of what you think or say doesn’t matter. They said they plan to merge it. They’re the people who will have to pay for a third pve server if they don’t merge; I don’t think they care at all what your opinion on the matter is lol

The fortunate thing for you is that merging really won’t be a negative thing at all.

[ya.dingus]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That’s a lot of words to come to the conclusion of what you think or say doesn’t matter. They said they plan to merge it. They’re the people who will have to pay for a third pve server if they don’t merge; I don’t think they care at all what your opinion on the matter is lol

The fortunate thing for you is that merging really won’t be a negative thing at all.

I read this as "Yeah you make good points that I have no counters for, but I'm going to rely on rumors to say my point matters despite how irrational it is."

Sure, fine. Like I said, it may be a solution, just a poor one. Wouldn't be the first, nor last time, such situations happened.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by ya.dingus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I read this as "Yeah you make good points that I have no counters for, but I'm going to rely on rumors to say my point matters despite how irrational it is."

Sure, fine. Like I said, it may be a solution, just a poor one. Wouldn't be the first, nor last time, such situations happened.

Lmao dude the amount of plat in circulation on green combined with the pure amount of legacy items that were farmed makes it like one of the most non classic servers there has ever been. And you’re worried about the effects of merging because you’re concerned about mudflation? Lololololol