Thought Experiment: How Could Rotations Be Competitive?

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The point is that if you add a timed component to Sontalak that is strict enough for the top guilds to fail, then smaller guilds will never get into the rotation. For most guilds on the server killing Sontalak is already an extremely difficult challenge.

You would just end up locking the rotation into the top guild or the top two guilds, depending on the difficulty of the challenge. The point of rotations is to avoid the server's raid content being controlled by one or two guilds.

It's just a bad idea, and you need to git gud and thinking[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Weeks/months is not a strict timer and I won't let you pretend it is. 😉

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Weeks/months is not a strict timer and I won't let you pretend it is. 😉

Oh you were referring to that. You're weeks/months timer is irrelevant because the top two guilds are going to be monopolizing Sontalak every week to stay in rotation. I am not sure why you think the top guild on the server is just going to take a month off trying to kill Sontalak lol. And if you think a bunch of small guilds are going to kill Sontalak 4 weeks in a row out from under the top guild, again you do not understand how P99 raiding works.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh you were referring to that. You're weeks/months timer is irrelevant because the top two guilds are going to be monopolizing Sontalak every week to stay in rotation. I am not sure why you think the top guild on the server is just going to take a month off trying to kill Sontalak lol. And if you think a bunch of small guilds are going to kill Sontalak 4 weeks in a row out from under the top guild, again you do not understand how P99 raiding works.

Not sure where you're getting this kill it every week to qualify nonsense. I'd say a Sontalak kill is worth 2 months in the loot monsoon, but that's just me others can disagree.

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure where you're getting this kill it every week nonsense. I'd say a Sontalak kill is worth 2 months in the loot monsoon, but that's just me others can disagree. Top guilds would have to compete each respawn to prevent this.

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You don't understand. It doesn't matter how long Sontalak puts you into the rotation, even if it is years. Unless the GM's prevent the top guild from killing Sontalak every week, they are GOING to kill him every week to keep the rotation as small as possible. Without custom content, Sontalak still only spawns once a week, and if there is no limit on who can kill him, the top guild will do it every week.

If you prevent the guilds who are already in rotation from killing Sontalak, then not only are you blocking Sontalak from multiple guilds who are in the rotation, but at that point you might as well just put guilds in a rotation without the extra paperwork of requiring the GM's to keep track of who is currently eligible for rotation.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't understand. It doesn't matter how long Sontalak puts you into the rotation, even if it is years. Unless the GM's prevent the top guild from killing Sontalak every week, they are GOING to kill him every week to keep the rotation as small as possible. Without custom content, Sontalak still only spawns once a week, and if there is no limit on who can kill him, the top guild will do it every week.

They will certainly try. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They will certainly try. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At this point I can only assume you haven't raided a lot on P99. The top guild is going to be considerably more equipped and well manned than the other guilds on P99. They wouldn't be the top guild otherwise lol. They WILL monopolize Sontalak and encourage their members to attend the Sontalak kill with DKP bonuses and whatnot. I am not sure how you think the other guilds will stand a chance against the top guild's resources, plus trying to kill Sontalak, who is very difficult and costs a good amount of money to kill.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At this point I can only assume you haven't raided a lot on P99. The top guild is going to be considerably more equipped and well manned than the other guilds on P99. They wouldn't be the top guild otherwise lol. They WILL monopolize Sontalak and encourage their members to attend the Sontalak kill with DKP bonuses and whatnot. I am not sure how you think the other guilds will stand a chance against the top guild's resources, plus trying to kill Sontalak, who is very difficult and costs a good amount of money to kill.

I'm well aware of all that. If you don't like Sontalak as gatekeeper, suggest something else. I'm all ears.