5-4 incoming?

[Kaveh]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wtf would we ask 1 sex's opinion on anything anyway? Wtf would you use such a primitive way to delineate people? What else should we use, skin color??

A fertalized egg is half a dna sequence from one person and half the other. If two people "decide" to have sex, then the decision for them both to decide if the baby should live has been made.

If women want abortion rights, maybe that should inform your opinion?

Again, I haven’t seen the polls. If they want it banned I’m cool with it. Otherwise I think you’re being Taliban

I still don’t think it’s murder. Most Pregnancies end in spontaneous abortion. Is god a murderer? Of course he isn’t.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Kaveh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If women want abortion rights, maybe that should inform your opinion?

Again, I haven’t seen the polls. If they want it banned I’m cool with it. Otherwise I think you’re being Taliban

I still don’t think it’s murder. Most Pregnancies end in spontaneous abortion. Is god a murderer? Of course he isn’t.

Perhaps it would be more relevant to take the vote of those who were actually aborted, yet lived.

Everything living ends in death, spontaneous or otherwise. hope this helps.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Kaveh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If women

of course i care about their opinion, but if its that they want to have an abortion then its a stupid and wrong opinion.

as for what women want, Ill let this screengrab from HMT that im watching right now answer your question about what they want:

here in the hottest female dystopian sexual polyamorous relationship drama she enjoys her rape baby she was forced to keep with her rape assailant neo-Nazi evangelist boyfriend and together their love glows brighter than the sun.

so there you have it, the women of america according to the highest rated female show say r baby stays and so does the nazi.

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[Kaveh]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

of course i care about their opinion, but if its that they want to have an abortion then its a stupid and wrong opinion.

as for what women want, Ill let this screengrab from HMT that im watching right now answer your question about what they want:

here in the hottest female dystopian sexual polyamorous relationship drama she enjoys her rape baby she was forced to keep with her rape assailant neo-Nazi evangelist boyfriend and together their love glows brighter than the sun.

so there you have it, the women of america according to the highest rated female show say r baby stays and so does the nazi.

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It’s not like we help with childcare or education costs dude. You think anyone wants to have an abortion? They don’t. We just don’t give a damn about 80-90% of people in this country whose line of employment doesn’t specifically hire lobbyists

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

of course i care about their opinion, but if its that they want to have an abortion then its a stupid and wrong opinion.

Translation: I have a right to tell other people what to do with their own bodies, and someday I want the government to tell me what I can do with mine.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Translation: I have a right to tell other people what to do with their own bodies, and someday I want the government to tell me what I can do with mine.

The government already tells you what to do with your body if you murder someone: you go to jail. That isn't anything new. As a society we do agree to certain conditions in which you lose your bodily autonomy.

However, the real problem here is you are equating abortion to "losing bodily autonomy". That isn't true. You had multiple choices to avoid pregnancy before. You had complete bodily autonomy to choose if you wanted to have sex, and how to have that sex. But once you start growing another person inside your body, you have to consider the bodily autonomy of that person as well. You are no longer just one person.

And before you bring up something like rape, most people aren't arguing abortion being illegal for extreme cases. If abortion was legal for rape/incest/extreme medical issues only, that would already reduce abortions by over 90%. It would certainly be a huge step in the right direction.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The government already tells you what to do with your body if you murder someone: you go to jail. That isn't anything new. As a society we do agree to certain conditions in which you lose your bodily autonomy.

Killing someone is the definition of messing with someone else's body. You basically just argued my point by arguing your's so poorly.

Again, prior to this ruling the government would never interfere with what you do with your own body ...

... except when it came to drugs, and even then doing drugs has never been illegal! Possessing them was (because, again, the constitution used to offer a protection against the government messing with your body, but not against you owning certain things).

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Killing someone is the definition of messing with someone else's body.

Exactly! Now you understand why abortion is a problem[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] a Baby's body is someone else's body. You're the one helping out my argument.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly! Now you understand why abortion is a problem[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] a Baby's body is someone else's body. You're the one helping out my argument.

A baby is a "someone else". A fetus is not.

It has nothing to do with treating people as non-people, and everything to do with treating a non-person clump of cells as if it were a person.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Killing someone is the definition of messing with someone else's body. You basically just argued my point by arguing your's so poorly.

Define someone's body: