Sleeper being awoken tonight (April 13th)

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Lol that is not a gun to their head. They have no obligation to follow their mission statement, and have enacted custom changes that go against this goal. Not a very good attempt here.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So is the consensus basically: nobody can ever wake the sleeper, and anyone who ever does is a dick? Cause that hardly seems fair to whichever guild put in the time and effort to do it. Even if it was some conglomeration of multiple guilds who did it, then they'd be dicks? Again, almost nothing changes, and if having specific warder items that no longer drop was that important to somebody that this is an affront to their personhood, why didn't they app to ST? We all play this game, we all understand the mentality, I think it's actually a bit high and mighty of people to pretend you would *never* do the same thing, if you had put in all that time and effort.

Basically that is what the other side is trying to argue, yes. As you point out, it is a silly argument.

[eqravenprince]

I don't think ST would care of Warders still spawned. And if they did, then they truly are douchebags.

[Goldknyght]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So is the consensus basically: nobody can ever wake the sleeper, and anyone who ever does is a dick? Cause that hardly seems fair to whichever guild put in the time and effort to do it. Even if it was some conglomeration of multiple guilds who did it, then they'd be dicks? Again, almost nothing changes, and if having specific warder items that no longer drop was that important to somebody that this is an affront to their personhood, why didn't they app to ST? We all play this game, we all understand the mentality, I think it's actually a bit high and mighty of people to pretend they would *never* do the same thing, if they had put in all that time and effort and were in the same position as ST was.

in essence yes, there is a post on the offical forums or reddit cant remember of a guy talking about his guild doing it back in the day and said it took months before people didnt look down on his guild because it was a D*** move.

[Goldknyght]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Basically that is what the other side is trying to argue, yes. As you point out, it is a silly argument.

No one is arguing that you can or cant wake the sleeper. The argument was that it was a D*** move and its not the same as the manastone removal. Devs programmed the player base to be able to train and steal kills, with your logic no action should be taken. But since kill stealing and training affects more people it can get you suspended or banned vs this where it only affects the few that can do it. So its not considered toxic in devs mind. But trust me EVERY TIME SOMEONE DOES THIS, threads like this one pop up every time. EVERYTIME. So its obviously a problem just like kill stealing or training and should be regulated similar.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Goldknyght [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one is arguing that you can or cant wake the sleeper. The argument was that it was a D*** move and its not the same as the manastone removal. Devs programmed the player base to be able to train and steal kills, with your logic no action should be taken. But since kill stealing and training affects more people it can get you suspended or banned vs this where it only affects the few that can do it. So its not considered toxic in devs mind. But trust me EVERY TIME SOMEONE DOES THIS, threads like this one pop up every time. EVERYTIME. So its obviously a problem just like kill stealing or training and should be regulated similar.

This is wrong. Trains were not purposely programmed, they are an unintended consequence of the game mechanics. This is why in the PnP and on the live servers they will punish players from doing it. They cannot easily prevent trains via clever programming, so they have to resort to GM intervention instead.

Sleeper, on the other hand, was purposely programmed to be awoken and despawn the Warders. There is nothing in the PnP that prevents it from happening, and there is nothing unintended happening here. It isn't like Warders despawning is a bug. That is the difference.

[Local]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not boot licking at all.

proceeds to bootlick for another 10 pages.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Local [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

proceeds to bootlick for another 10 pages.

Proceeds to make baseless claims every 10 pages to try and look cool. Show me where I am boot licking Seal Team? I haven't given them once ounce of praise. I am simply defending their right to play the game as it was intended lol. I would do the same for you.

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by Goldknyght [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in essence yes, there is a post on the offical forums or reddit cant remember of a guy talking about his guild doing it back in the day and said it took months before people didnt look down on his guild because it was a D*** move.

Okay well I think the issue is just whether or not it's a dick move. I don't think it is inherently a dick move at all, since it *is* a part of the game. Plus, nearly everyone who plays on this server knows that going in. So I definitely think it's wrong to be surprised this happened, but I also think it's wrong to be pissed at ST for doing it. Very few items were removed from the game, and if getting those items was truly important to somebody there's this guild called seal team who everyone knew was going to do this, and you're free to apply to their guild just like any other guild. Or, you're free to continue to compete against them and all other guilds for the other 99.9% of desirable targets that are still there for the killing.

I am not in seal team, there are lots of classic-velious era encounters I've never even seen, and this does not bother me at all. I'd just encourage people to think about why they play this game sometimes. I mean I get it, it's a bummer, but you've gotta look at it from their perspective. Are they gonna spend 3 years positioning themselves to be able to do this, only to let somebody else do it instead? Of course not. If you want to compete for warders you have to like... compete. Meaning get keyed. If the top guild is already there and is just delaying waking the sleeper out of charity, is it really gonna feel that glorious to get some piece of loot? No, at least not for me it wouldn't.

[Skarne]

All Eli is trying to say is that the comparison of manastone and waking the sleeper are completely different due to the player choice aspect regarding waking the sleeper.

The manastone is a set timeline removal.

The sleeper requires player choice which is a trigger, not a timer.

I agree with Eli on this. It’s a silly argument anyway and I’m surprised it’s gone on for 15 pages.