Green 2.0 advice

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Videri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Legacy camps: Manastone, Guise of the Deceiver, Rubicite Breastplate, Drelzna JBoots
There will be 10-20 players standing at these camps around the clock. Each character will have to wait 3-5 days to get their item. To accomplish this, groups of players will take turns on a single character. The list mechanic allows a 15-minute grace period in case of connection loss. This allows one player to camp out and another player to log in to the same character. Players will take shifts in this way to keep that character on the /list for long enough to get the item. If you cannot do this or are not willing to share account info, you may not be able to get these items. These camps were camped by 10-20 people 24/7 from the moment it was possible to camp them until the moment they were removed from the game.

My druid Naala spent 87 hours on the manastone list. Each night, one of my friends would play her for 6 hours so I could sleep. I would keep my laptop with me the other 18 hours of every day for 4 and a half days. That’s how you get a manastone. If you can’t do that, you won’t be able to camp a manastone. You can farm a lot of plat and buy one.

Let's just hope Green 2.0 comes with /list 2.0 (ie. random lists instead of "staying awake or trading accounts for days" lists).

The goal of this place (and Green in particular) is to be classic right? There's nothing classic about the above, but it's completely classic to have a random chance at a popular item.

[Coridan]

"Also, it turned out nobody used Summon Corpse that much to advance in Plane of Sky."

Huh? Guilds were using it a ton until they could get everyone keyed, and even later on to help people who came late or whatever hop islands.

[Videri]

Originally Posted by Coridan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Huh? Guilds were using it a ton until they could get everyone keyed, and even later on to help people who came late or whatever hop islands.

Oh. Going purely off memory here, not even looking at logs or anything. Thanks. I'll correct that if I do another draft of this. Also, hi Jersiey.

[Goldknyght]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's just hope Green 2.0 comes with /list 2.0 (ie. random lists instead of "staying awake or trading accounts for days" lists).

The goal of this place (and Green in particular) is to be classic right? There's nothing classic about the above, but it's completely classic to have a random chance at a popular item.

TLDR: Random named or mobs drop legacy items in said zone. Making /list pointless as it is in its current state unless ur a no lifer.

Problem also with classic items is during the timeline people didnt know manastone etc. were gonna get nerfed and or removed all together. so people didnt need a /list to begin with.
So, my 2cents is. WE AINT GETTING CLASSIC BACK. PERIOD (WHY TRY). so with that said. jus have legacy items drop off random named mobs in those same zones. That way no one guild could take over, outside of taking over the ENTIRE zone. which is possible but least its more classic than a /list that u need 20people to help u camp said camp. like seriously, /list was a good idea, but in practice is only helped the no lifers.

[btravis1990]

Originally Posted by Goldknyght [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TLDR: Random named or mobs drop legacy items in said zone. Making /list pointless as it is in its current state unless ur a no lifer.

Problem also with classic items is during the timeline people didnt know manastone etc. were gonna get nerfed and or removed all together. so people didnt need a /list to begin with.
So, my 2cents is. WE AINT GETTING CLASSIC BACK. PERIOD (WHY TRY). so with that said. jus have legacy items drop off random named mobs in those same zones. That way no one guild could take over, outside of taking over the ENTIRE zone. which is possible but least its more classic than a /list that u need 20people to help u camp said camp. like seriously, /list was a good idea, but in practice is only helped the no lifers.

Just make all bosses that drop Epic items have /lists too? Why is it that the "top tier" raiding guilds block some of these items? Have rotations on mini's.

[Goldknyght]

Originally Posted by btravis1990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just make all bosses that drop Epic items have /lists too? Why is it that the "top tier" raiding guilds block some of these items? Have rotations on mini's.

ur ignorant with this statement, and its sad. Epic items are in game for life. legacy items arnt. people like u have no argument so you try to poke holes at a legit way to curb legacy BS /list nonsense. its like talkin to a tree sometimes with responses from people like urself good sir/maam.

[btravis1990]

Originally Posted by Goldknyght [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ur ignorant with this statement, and its sad. Epic items are in game for life. legacy items arnt. people like u have no argument so you try to poke holes at a legit way to curb legacy BS /list nonsense. its like talkin to a tree sometimes with responses from people like urself good sir/maam.

who hurt you?

[Goldknyght]

Originally Posted by btravis1990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

who hurt you?

who hurt you?

[Ransurian]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's just hope Green 2.0 comes with /list 2.0 (ie. random lists instead of "staying awake or trading accounts for days" lists).

The goal of this place (and Green in particular) is to be classic right? There's nothing classic about the above, but it's completely classic to have a random chance at a popular item.

And here we go with a debate that's been raging for literally over a decade. Sigh.

"Do we keep things strictly as they were in terms of game mechanics or tweak the game to alter player behavior so that it emulates how the game actually was in 1999?"

For whatever it's worth, I'm 100% on board with changes to make the game less toxic and more accessible. At this point, classic EQ is a solved game. It's grown stale. But you have a lot of imbeciles who are literally willing to defend camping stuff like manastones for dozens of hours, even though many of them share account info.

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by Ransurian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm 100% on board with changes to make the game less toxic and more accessible.

And this is also an age old argument and it basically created the modern class of mmo's that most of us play here to avoid.

I mean "toxicity" (annoyingly vague term btw) wouldn't just go away because there are instances, it would just take some other form. Fact is if the game has any competitive content at all, somebody is going to dominate it, and if the game has no competitive content it's extremely boring and generic.

Although I agree with you about the account sharing it does seem like that would undercut a lot of the satisfaction that you get by getting an item. I think the /list system for green actually worked pretty damn well, other than account sharing. Account sharing is a huge part of the reason any of those camps ever become multi-day, because most sane people are just not willing to do that or would naturally slip up by missing an afk check and be booted. That happened naturally all the time with the current system. If you got to the guise camp and you were #12 on the list, you almost certainly didn't have to actually wait for 11 other people to get it before you.