@Rogean, surely this is not the ToV raid scene you intended after 4/2019

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Unrooting the dragons will be an absolute disaster. All those of you who think you're in the inner circle may be surprised to find out that it's easier to share with less people. The same 12-20 people will fte all of the dragons within seconds providing no opportunities for people to even learn how to compete against them. Even on quakes the tov dragons will be pulled and dead so quickly that the same force will then be able to contest everything in kunark as well. It's a different game entirely, and one that just won't include most of us.

The problem with training in tov could easily be resolved by the staff through the existing rules if they wanted to do it. They don't and I'm not sure what that says about the staff other than they disagree or don't understand the effects their rule changes have had on the raid environment. Today's disaster of the meta in rooted dragons is not an inevitable outcome it's a consequence of allowing detoxx and furor to train whomever they want because they were on the tracks. I've watch them get every benefit of the doubt to absurdity while nobody else is afforded the same consideration.

There are lots of good people in vanquish. I know many of them through their former involvement in kittens. I certainly don't mind there being other options in the world of contesting all the dragons all the time. I never have. Competition at the high end can be a healthy thing for blue server. My issue with Vanquish is their leadership and a subset of their core that's willing to say and do anything to win. They harass our people (including furor), they follow us around in game and out trying to make playing p99 so distasteful we leave. They harass us in tells, ooc, and in say at every opportunity. They are poor winners and poor losers simultaneously. We have watched them train us and seriously set us back on quakes and tell us to get bent. Mock us for trying new things and failing. It's gross, and it has seriously destroyed the community we left on blue server. Shame on everyone for allowing it to happen. Have a merry christmas I guess.