New World

[cd288]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since Amazon Games formed it has consistently delivered trash and cancellations. Look at their release history it's all low quality mobile junk until they started to abort and cancel big-boy games. "inability to see a sustained future" regarding Crucible doesn't say much about their planning and forecasts and is likely the same phrase they will be trotting out again. I would admire the persistence but this isn't some passionate dreamers; this is a corporate idea of what game development is and what the final product should be. I'm sure the individual developers have creativity and passion, but that is plainly missing from the upper echelons.

The only reason so many people are playing is because people are just hungry for a new MMO. It's been years since we had a AAA release and people are checking it out in numbers.

Speaking of so many people, what do they have now like 600 servers? I wonder how they are planning to handle server mergers. Because the server has a persistent control map, right? So all the companies lose all their control and it basically resets? I wouldn't like that as a player, but what else can they do?

Except that’s kind of a different situation from what we were talking about. Your original discussion was about the economic longevity of the game (I.e. even if it’s a good game is it really economically viable without pay to win mechanics etc.). I said I think Amazon is willing to take an economic loss overall on new world if the game stays good and therefore allows them to develop a positive reputation in the space. Thereby netting them much bigger profits in the future via expanded product lines.

Now you’re totally shifting the argument to whether the game is good in general which is a separate debate.

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except that’s kind of a different situation from what we were talking about. Your original discussion was about the economic longevity of the game (I.e. even if it’s a good game is it really economically viable without pay to win mechanics etc.). I said I think Amazon is willing to take an economic loss overall on new world if the game stays good and therefore allows them to develop a positive reputation in the space. Thereby netting them much bigger profits in the future via expanded product lines.

Now you’re totally shifting the argument to whether the game is good in general which is a separate debate.

Oh yeah, imo the two are tightly related.

I spent 38 minutes playing the game and realized it's total and utter trash. Not like oh we didn't know what we were doing trash. No no no. It's intentional trash. It has to be because it's literally impossible for passionate and creative people to create dreck like this. I won't provide my litany because you're either sugar-coating a pile of turds in an attempt to get a new MMO fix or you see it for what it is. I'm not Roddy Piper with the glasses, don't care about convincing people it's actually crap on their plate.

The thing is the suckage is just so obvious the product is definitely going to be bleeding players very fast. Lol I mean it's even conceivable the management will get a bonus for shutting down servers early in order to save money in the long run. One thing they won't be doing is carrying this wreck any longer than they have to. The only thing these people are concerned about is coming out of this disaster clean, so they gonna close it up before it has a chance to generate any losses and call it a win-win. I understand what you're saying about long term investment and your point about the game staying good, but my argument is the game is incredibly bad to begin with, and just to bring it up to a minimum level of expectations will cost tons of time and money and it won't be good then either, just acceptable. Management knows this and they will blow very well rendered smoke up everyone's asses until the moment they turn out the lights and take their remaining money with them.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh yeah, imo the two are tightly related.

I spent 38 minutes playing the game and realized it's total and utter trash. Not like oh we didn't know what we were doing trash. No no no. It's intentional trash. It has to be because it's literally impossible for passionate and creative people to create dreck like this. I won't provide my litany because you're either sugar-coating a pile of turds in an attempt to get a new MMO fix or you see it for what it is. I'm not Roddy Piper with the glasses, don't care about convincing people it's actually crap on their plate.

The thing is the suckage is just so obvious the product is definitely going to be bleeding players very fast. Lol I mean it's even conceivable the management will get a bonus for shutting down servers early in order to save money in the long run. One thing they won't be doing is carrying this wreck any longer than they have to. The only thing these people are concerned about is coming out of this disaster clean, so they gonna close it up before it has a chance to generate any losses and call it a win-win. I understand what you're saying about long term investment and your point about the game staying good, but my argument is the game is incredibly bad to begin with, and just to bring it up to a minimum level of expectations will cost tons of time and money and it won't be good then either, just acceptable. Management knows this and they will blow very well rendered smoke up everyone's asses until the moment they turn out the lights and take their remaining money with them.

Idk, I find it enjoyable for a "modern" MMO that's more in the WoW style rather than the old EQ style. I like the crafting system a lot, although there are some areas where it could be improved in terms of making weaponry actually viable for your level by the time you are able to craft it.

The biggest gap in the game that I view as most problematic for its viability is the PvP system pre-level 60. In order to really get involved with the faction system, wars, etc. you have to be level 60. The ability to increase your faction's influence through repetitive PvP missions pre-level 60 (that really have nothing to do with PvP, they are just quests that you have to do while flagged for PvP) is a bad and boring system and essentially makes the whole system susceptible to the meta strategy becoming guilds zerging and just overhwelming the opposing faction with numbers so you can't even attempt to stop them from completing the quests. Also, the ability to unflag for PvP (as long as you're not doing the quests) means an opposing faction can have players following your faction's force around and letting the other faction know exactly what you're doing, and you can't do a thing about it since they aren't flagged for PvP.

There are things that are fun in this game and the faction system and wars are a cool thing (reminds me of the original Planetside, man how I miss that game), but there are definitely things in that system that need to be ironed out. I wouldn't say the game is terrible though.

[Shawk]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh yeah, imo the two are tightly related.

I spent 38 minutes playing the game and realized it's total and utter trash. Not like oh we didn't know what we were doing trash. No no no. It's intentional trash. It has to be because it's literally impossible for passionate and creative people to create dreck like this. I won't provide my litany because you're either sugar-coating a pile of turds in an attempt to get a new MMO fix or you see it for what it is. I'm not Roddy Piper with the glasses, don't care about convincing people it's actually crap on their plate.

The thing is the suckage is just so obvious the product is definitely going to be bleeding players very fast. Lol I mean it's even conceivable the management will get a bonus for shutting down servers early in order to save money in the long run. One thing they won't be doing is carrying this wreck any longer than they have to. The only thing these people are concerned about is coming out of this disaster clean, so they gonna close it up before it has a chance to generate any losses and call it a win-win. I understand what you're saying about long term investment and your point about the game staying good, but my argument is the game is incredibly bad to begin with, and just to bring it up to a minimum level of expectations will cost tons of time and money and it won't be good then either, just acceptable. Management knows this and they will blow very well rendered smoke up everyone's asses until the moment they turn out the lights and take their remaining money with them.

A lot of words with no substance. The Cynical Jaded MMORPG player, bitter as ever.

[Tethler]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh yeah, imo the two are tightly related.

I spent 38 minutes playing the game and realized it's total and utter trash. Not like oh we didn't know what we were doing trash. No no no. It's intentional trash. It has to be because it's literally impossible for passionate and creative people to create dreck like this. I won't provide my litany because you're either sugar-coating a pile of turds in an attempt to get a new MMO fix or you see it for what it is. I'm not Roddy Piper with the glasses, don't care about convincing people it's actually crap on their plate.

The thing is the suckage is just so obvious the product is definitely going to be bleeding players very fast. Lol I mean it's even conceivable the management will get a bonus for shutting down servers early in order to save money in the long run. One thing they won't be doing is carrying this wreck any longer than they have to. The only thing these people are concerned about is coming out of this disaster clean, so they gonna close it up before it has a chance to generate any losses and call it a win-win. I understand what you're saying about long term investment and your point about the game staying good, but my argument is the game is incredibly bad to begin with, and just to bring it up to a minimum level of expectations will cost tons of time and money and it won't be good then either, just acceptable. Management knows this and they will blow very well rendered smoke up everyone's asses until the moment they turn out the lights and take their remaining money with them.

Can't take this post seriously. 38 minutes is enough to tell you if you like or dislike the playstyle, sure. But being able to judge the overall quality of a game after less than an hour? lol

In that time you probably got to level 5 and maybe tried 2 different weapons with 1-2 skills unlocked in each. You certainly didn't get to crafting, PvP, dungeons, or anything else. Come back and offer a critique after you've played enough to know what you're talking about.

This game is far from perfect and has quite a few things that do need improvement, sure. But it's not even close to "total and utter trash".

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by Tethler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can't take this post seriously. 38 minutes is enough to tell you if you like or dislike the playstyle, sure. But being able to judge the overall quality of a game after less than an hour? lol

In that time you probably got to level 5 and maybe tried 2 different weapons with 1-2 skills unlocked in each. You certainly didn't get to crafting, PvP, dungeons, or anything else. Come back and offer a critique after you've played enough to know what you're talking about.

This game is far from perfect and has quite a few things that do need improvement, sure. But it's not even close to "total and utter trash".

I got to level zero! I created a character that looked like every other character. I was the same height and body style as everyone else. I was the same race. I went out and saw some guys with these huge anime-hammers like 10 feet long just floating on their backs. And then I watched some people fight and it was all this giant jumble of explosions and whooshes and sparklies with numbers flying everywhere.

I didn't do any quests because they are all the same trivial ask. I didn't do any crafting because it's just makework to keep you busy. I didn't go into any dungeons because there weren't any. I didn't participate in pvp because that is locked behind 100s of hours of pointless crafting, I mean pointless other than serving as a gate to the content you actually want.

Then I looked at their chat functionality. Then I logged off and got a refund. Complete and utter trash buoyed by graphics that they obviously spent all their time and money on to hook people in with flash over substance.

I can't think of a single mechanic or feature in this game that is innovative. It's literally all the same recycled ideas from a bunch of different games.

I don't need to swim in shit for six hours. I smelled it before I even jumped in.

I understand why people want to give this soulless adventure in corporate game-making a shot. Because there hasn't been a major mmo release in 4 years and the most popular one is 20 years old and the highest rated one is 9. However, New World is junk. Sorry. I really am. I wish New World was worth it, just to keep the mmo genre solid and fruitful.

[Shawk]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I got to level zero! I created a character that looked like every other character. I was the same height and body style as everyone else. I was the same race. I went out and saw some guys with these huge anime-hammers like 10 feet long just floating on their backs. And then I watched some people fight and it was all this giant jumble of explosions and whooshes and sparklies with numbers flying everywhere.

I didn't do any quests because they are all the same trivial ask. I didn't do any crafting because it's just makework to keep you busy. I didn't go into any dungeons because there weren't any. I didn't participate in pvp because that is locked behind 100s of hours of pointless crafting, I mean pointless other than serving as a gate to the content you actually want.

Then I looked at their chat functionality. Then I logged off and got a refund. Complete and utter trash buoyed by graphics that they obviously spent all their time and money on to hook people in with flash over substance.

I can't think of a single mechanic or feature in this game that is innovative. It's literally all the same recycled ideas from a bunch of different games.

I don't need to swim in shit for six hours. I smelled it before I even jumped in.

I understand why people want to give this soulless adventure in corporate game-making a shot. Because there hasn't been a major mmo release in 4 years and the most popular one is 20 years old and the highest rated one is 9. However, New World is junk. Sorry. I really am. I wish New World was worth it, just to keep the mmo genre solid and fruitful.

No one ever dreams of being a cynic.

Sorry you're afflicted.

Originally Posted by Mblake1981 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I watched a couple nit-wits on Youtube try P99 (and classic EQ) for the first time. They made a couple dwarves and bumblefucked around for 45 minutes trying to find what to do because nothing told them or pointed a direction. They both disliked the game and turned it off.

I went to the comments section and typed out a piece similar to yours then hit erase. I remembered no one had to sell me on EQ. My nerd boner was max stiffy without any of that.

Did they go on a forum and talk about how trash it was and insult the player base? Even Fortnite has merits. Sad so many people are jaded little angst cynics and can't see them. Gamers today are worthless, in the day everyone knew how to mod a game, how to make their own game even.. Now? Most gamers don't even know what an executable is.. While Unreal Engine makes it so easy a child can do it, most still refuse to jump on a game engine and prove their worth. Cynical "game analysts, journalists" are a fucking joke, that is why they don't really exist anymore.

The only value you as a gamer have, with your opinions on what makes a good game: Is making games. That is how it worked.. Now gamers are just lazy bitches who think their opinions matter to anyone. Almost every "issue" people have in New World is by design, Same can be said for Everquest, Dark Souls, EVE, Fortnite..

It is possible to make another Everquest like game in Unreal Engine or Unity.. It isn't even that hard, lazy useless gamers just have to stop being gamers for a minute and spend their time in an Engine, like with LanternEQ.com for example. In the 80s-90s a lot of gamers were devs as well, the dev to gamer ratio was like 1 to 10 back then, in 2020 the dev to gamer ratio is about 0.00001 to 10. That is the only reason why you don't see an explosion of games today like we did back then, no one is making them, everyone is playing them.


I get not liking a game, but hating a game? Calling it trash? 12 year old going on 32 kind of incel energy.

[Ataria]

I have been playing it. Mind you, I started on p99 in 2012. New world came about while I wasn't playing p99 too much, and it looked like fun. (I am sure I will always come back to p99 here, nothing like it).

So far as for New World, I am enjoying it. It has a lot of attributes that are appealing to me... Groups need a dedicated healer, and a dedicated tank (For me, MMOs where a dedicated healer isn't needed I do not like). I do love I often see calls like DPS needed.. Tank needed healer needed at such and such.

Crafting his very immersive. Reminds me of eq2 - a lot of things to make, and you can decorate your house etc. Lots of collections (journals and lore to collect) And I do love you XP from crafting too. You actually get XP from about everything, from PVP, to doing quests, to leveling.

I think one of my favorite MMOs aside from EQ was DAOC.. and this also reminds me of that... DAOC was RVR (realm vs realm) and you had the Hibernerians (elves etc), Midgard (trolls etc) and the Albion (humans etc) against one another and in that game, you had to go out into the "fields/realm" per se for RVR and protect and defend keeps. I remember I was a smith and a cleric and would have to go out to repair the keeps and armor to keep all the kobods from breaking in and taking over.

Here in New World there are 3 factions ( Syndicate (purple), Mauraders (green) and Covenent (yellow) Sometimes they are referred to as colors ). I joined Syndicate on my server, and it seems to be the underdog there, but overall, not one dominating faction. It started out pretty equal between the 3 factions. All day yesterday I kept seeing all the chatter in the faction for help, which was awesome. I am just a lowly level so I cannot wait to get out there to help with that.

I think that has been actually the drawback for me so far.. I want more grouping and community (I have been spoiled by eq). So there isn't as much PVE for me yet- but I see a lot of messages needing healers ( and dps, tank etc). I think what is holding me back on that is I took a lot time to join a faction, and since the mechanics and gameplay are so different for me, I have been trying to learn before I go out and am responsible for a group's life. In eq, you are healing others from early on, but here it is so easy to solo.

I think more of a community for me will come about as I learn more, level up and can take part in more of the factions fights and such as well as the PVE, because that really appeals to me (social aspect, healing etc)

On that note, healing is a whole new thing to me. It has been a bit of a learning curve.. I still see people say things in ooc like they are so lost in the game etc. If you aren't used to it, it is definitely a new thing to learn. For example, and some may laugh at this and may be a "duh!" for some.. You get 3 abilities depending on how you spec as a healer (for one of your weapons, that is). And one of my heals is an AE, and where you aim on the ground when you hit it is where the "center," of it is. It took me so long to figure how/why this heal was landing- lol I was in a city and I would accidentally hit it in the middle of the crafting station (lol whoops).. So once I learned that, it was cake on how to best use that ability. But all these new little things that may be normal in other MMOs is new for me. Who knows, maybe I just need more coffee... lol But I tend to be neurotic and play too much, so I am sure I will one day master it all. haha

So far, it has drawn me in and many nights I do feel like playing it (over p99) but that also could be I was not having such a good time my last few times on p99 - so not fault of either game. But in New World, I am wanting more of the community and social aspect. But, that will hopefully come in time as I level up more and can really immerse myself in the factions and such (and feel confident in healing). I keep seeing all the chatter in the faction of needing help, needing heals.. and going to the fort to help and sounds like so much fun!

PS not many female clothing to choose from (hopefully that changes).. You know, the fashionquest thing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Right now my char is taking on the looks of a pirate!

Here are some screenshots - hope these do not come out ginormous. You can also read some of the community chatter on the left.

My char, running around questing.
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Lots of people everywhere, and lots of messages for groups/heals/dps etc This is in one of the towns my faction has control of near crafting stations.
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Best fishing in any MMO I have found yet (I am in a lake here under the moonlight)
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Here I am climbing cliffs looking for ore nodes to make a weapon. The weapon with the orb on the end is the life staff, and that is tied into being a healer (your abilities and such are depending on which weapon you choose). My other weapon is an ice gauntlet (on hand) and with that I can CC, regen more mana and help with the fight in other ways.
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[Tethler]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I got to level zero! I created a character that looked like every other character. I was the same height and body style as everyone else. I was the same race. I went out and saw some guys with these huge anime-hammers like 10 feet long just floating on their backs. And then I watched some people fight and it was all this giant jumble of explosions and whooshes and sparklies with numbers flying everywhere.

I didn't do any quests because they are all the same trivial ask. I didn't do any crafting because it's just makework to keep you busy. I didn't go into any dungeons because there weren't any. I didn't participate in pvp because that is locked behind 100s of hours of pointless crafting, I mean pointless other than serving as a gate to the content you actually want.

Then I looked at their chat functionality. Then I logged off and got a refund. Complete and utter trash buoyed by graphics that they obviously spent all their time and money on to hook people in with flash over substance.

I can't think of a single mechanic or feature in this game that is innovative. It's literally all the same recycled ideas from a bunch of different games.

I don't need to swim in shit for six hours. I smelled it before I even jumped in.

I understand why people want to give this soulless adventure in corporate game-making a shot. Because there hasn't been a major mmo release in 4 years and the most popular one is 20 years old and the highest rated one is 9. However, New World is junk. Sorry. I really am. I wish New World was worth it, just to keep the mmo genre solid and fruitful.

That's a whole lot of words to say you don't know anything other than what it looks like. It reads like you took a bunch of misinformed steam reviews, tossed them in a blender, and this is what came out.

[Whale biologist]

Originally Posted by Tethler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's a whole lot of words to say you don't know anything other than what it looks like. It reads like you took a bunch of misinformed steam reviews, tossed them in a blender, and this is what came out.

Weak