What have we not thought of

[Ooloo]

I'm actually pretty persuaded by that giant post Santagar made. I've never been in a top raiding guild since p99's inception, and I've had the same nasty attitude toward them, but the things he laid out in that post really do kinda make sense.

Who is anyone to decide another group of players cares about the game too much? We obviously all do, or we wouldn't be playing it. If a top guild are dicks to others and train them and break normal rules, sure, but there's really no good argument to them "monopolizing" end game content than to just step up and do it yourself. There's a ton of other content in the game. I log in and enjoy the game basically every day and like I said, I've never been in a top tier guild here. I have a couple level 60s, and leveling them was fun as shit. I'm not sure how the big guilds "ruin" the game for others? Getting warder loot due to a forced rotation would surely be much less satisfying. All jokes about ignoring your family aside, they *did* put the work in. It's silly to joke about when we are all here playing the same game. "Lol you play a 22 year old elf sim?!? Well..... so do I..."

One problem I see though is that, like when green first launched, ST got out ahead of the pack rapidly, even though everyone started on the same page. When a guild does that, they kind of snowball and make it nearly impossible for anyone else to catch up. If they never break up outright, whoever is the first top guild will pretty much always be, because they are gearing up faster than anyone else, which exponentially widens the gap between them and other guilds.

But that is the nature of the game, and it really doesn't bother me personally.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who is anyone to decide another group of players cares about the game too much?

Care wouldn't be the word I would use here. Pretty sure platlord and company couldn't care less. Invested might be the better word for it, financially or emotionally.

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's silly to joke about when we are all here playing the same game. "Lol you play a 22 year old elf sim?!? Well..... so do I..."

Lance Armstrong and the average person with a 10-speed are taking part in the same activity but the two aren't anywhere close to being in the same category. Armstrong didn't care about the sport enough, because the prize and recognition mattered more, which ruined it for others.

MMOs are more like worlds than other types of games. The problem with this is, people still think of themselves as players and the world as a game first and foremost, even though SOE told everyone from the start, "You're in our world now." A game has winners and losers, and it can be beaten. Those who woke the sleeper didn't beat the game. Those who were declared Best of the Best didn't beat the game. Whoever gets the next FTE on KT and Statue won't beat the game either. The world goes on as it has and your achievements, while meaningful together, are individually nothing by comparison. Maybe Ooloo has beaten the game, simply by not trying to at all.