When an antivaxxer get covid

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wouldn't even really sya they "tax" the healthcare system in terms of putting a strain on it because many of those smoking and alcohol deaths are due to long term health effects. So you don't have packed ICUs and hospitals running out of oxygen because people drink alcohol. Whereas COVID puts a huge strain on the local healthcare system and infrastructure; you see it nonstop in these places where the ICUs are almost at (or are at) capacity due to COVID patients...people with other medical emergencies can't get the help they need.

For example, during the pandemic in NYC we have people dying in waiting rooms, in chairs, sitting on the floor in hallways, etc. because they couldn't get full treatment because the doctors and nurses had so many COVID patients that they were dealing with. You had people dying at home because ambulances couldn't get to them because they were already answering COVID calls nonstop.

You don't have that happening because people choose to smoke cigarettes and drink.

At the beginning of the pandemic, when infections were highest, why was that emergency navy medical boat never even used? Why were the impromptu field hospitals barely used and eventually closed? Again I'm not saying this isn't an issue *anywhere*, it's just simply not a widespread issue; most hospitals are managing just fine. Also, most hospitals usually do operate at close to full capacity because it makes no financial sense to have hundreds of extra beds and equipment that are never used but have to be maintained and paid for.

So, sure, in some places they are overburdened due to covid, and that's unfortunate obviously I don't want people dying in the hallways, but it is not the apocalyptic issue people are making it out to be.

[Horza]

Idaho allows COVID-slammed hospitals to ration care for first time ever.

The Idaho Department of Health and Welfare quietly enacted the move Monday and publicly announced it in a statement Tuesday morning—warning residents that they may not get the care they would normally expect if they need to be hospitalized.

The move came as the state's confirmed coronavirus cases skyrocketed in recent weeks. Idaho has one of the lowest vaccination rates in the U.S. The state health agency cited "a severe shortage of staffing and available beds in the northern area of the state caused by a massive increase in patients with COVID-19 who require hospitalization."

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by Horza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Idaho allows COVID-slammed hospitals to ration care for first time ever.

The Idaho Department of Health and Welfare quietly enacted the move Monday and publicly announced it in a statement Tuesday morning—warning residents that they may not get the care they would normally expect if they need to be hospitalized.

The move came as the state's confirmed coronavirus cases skyrocketed in recent weeks. Idaho has one of the lowest vaccination rates in the U.S. The state health agency cited "a severe shortage of staffing and available beds in the northern area of the state caused by a massive increase in patients with COVID-19 who require hospitalization."

You're just cherry picking, I can do that too here watch: In my city the hospital is totally fine.

My whole point is that it's not a *widespread* problem. You're only going to find news stories about places where it *is* a problem, nobody is going to write a news story saying "Hospital totally fine and normal", so there's a huge selection bias creating the illusion that this is happening everywhere. It's not.

[Horza]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're just cherry picking, I can do that too here watch: In my city the hospital is totally fine.

My whole point is that it's not a *widespread* problem. You're only going to find news stories about places where it *is* a problem, nobody is going to write a news story saying "Hospital totally fine and normal", so there's a huge selection bias creating the illusion that this is happening everywhere. It's not.

You heard it here first, folks. Conservatives will happily depopulate Idaho to appease their rape daddy.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At the beginning of the pandemic, when infections were highest, why was that emergency navy medical boat never even used? Why were the impromptu field hospitals barely used and eventually closed? Again I'm not saying this isn't an issue *anywhere*, it's just simply not a widespread issue; most hospitals are managing just fine. Also, most hospitals usually do operate at close to full capacity because it makes no financial sense to have hundreds of extra beds and equipment that are never used but have to be maintained and paid for.

So, sure, in some places they are overburdened due to covid, and that's unfortunate obviously I don't want people dying in the hallways, but it is not the apocalyptic issue people are making it out to be.

1. Most hospitals ICUs absolutely do not operate at close to full capacity at all. It's a very bad thing if you're consistently operating at close to full ICU capacity.

2. The navy boat was used. It was used to treat non-COVID patients because, as I'm sure even someone of your low intelligence level can understand, a dense environment like a ship is a terrible place to treat patients with a highly contagious disease. So where they could they transferred certain types of patients there from the hospital, or sent them there in the first place. But the ship wasn't equipped to treat every possible kind of medical emergency.

It's always surprising to me how people like you can form such deep opinions about things without actually knowing anything about it.

[Gravydoo II]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. Most hospitals ICUs absolutely do not operate at close to full capacity at all. It's a very bad thing if you're consistently operating at close to full ICU capacity.

2. The navy boat was used. It was used to treat non-COVID patients because, as I'm sure even someone of your low intelligence level can understand, a dense environment like a ship is a terrible place to treat patients with a highly contagious disease. So where they could they transferred certain types of patients there from the hospital, or sent them there in the first place. But the ship wasn't equipped to treat every possible kind of medical emergency.

It's always surprising to me how people like you can form such deep opinions about things without actually knowing anything about it.

Toxigen is a doctor or something. He must work at a hospital ICU because he is REALLY informed. He is sucking that "this is not happening!!!!" dick REALLY hard. Dude really believes that a hospital operating at 90% or better capacity is "good" or "normal". Yea.. Less care for everyone, more hours for the staff, using up all your resources that are supposed to last for a month in a week. That sounds REALLY good for the hospitals lol.

You know how these republicans are. They believe that work sets you free, remember when they did that? lol

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by Gravydoo II [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Toxigen is a doctor or something. He must work at a hospital ICU because he is REALLY informed. He is sucking that "this is not happening!!!!" dick REALLY hard. Dude really believes that a hospital operating at 90% or better capacity is "good" or "normal". Yea.. Less care for everyone, more hours for the staff, using up all your resources that are supposed to last for a month in a week. That sounds REALLY good for the hospitals lol.

You know how these republicans are. They believe that work sets you free, remember when they did that? lol

yeah hospitals are a business like any other. they cut costs at every opportunity. if business is slow, they'll close a whole floor, reducing their, "capacity".

hospitals reporting 80%, 90% capacity are nothing new, this is a sweet spot for profit over hospital operation costs; its a business like any other.

The actual metric that should be applied to covid patients populating hospitals is only this:

How many dying Americans are turned away, asked to leave, and refused medical care without being referred to another medical care facility?

It's zero, your fear mongering attempt has failed.

[Gravydoo II]

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah hospitals are a business like any other. they cut costs at every opportunity. if business is slow, they'll close a whole floor, reducing their, "capacity".

hospitals reporting 80%, 90% capacity are nothing new, this is a sweet spot for profit over hospital operation costs; its a business like any other.

The actual metric that should be applied to covid patients populating hospitals is only this:

How many dying Americans are turned away, asked to leave, and refused medical care without being referred to another medical care facility?

It's zero, your fear mongering attempt has failed.

The mental gymnastics is olympic level.

If you want to kill yourself, just do it. Dont drag us down with you..

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by Gravydoo II [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The mental gymnastics is olympic level.

If you want to kill yourself, just do it. Dont drag us down with you..

Typical liberal.

Thinks simple math is mental gymnastics.