It's official: Riot is done.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by xdrcfrx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's not unique to p99 that in a zero-sum setting, if someone can cheat to gain and advantage eventually it's going to happen. Given the last year or so of Freedom -> Vanquish, for better or worse Vanq. leadership has essentially 0 credibility with anyone who doesn't wear that tag - without rehashing this entire thread, suffice to say there are numerous examples that explain that feeling. So it shouldn't be surprising that many people think you're cheating, and nearly none of them believe your denials.

At one point, Arcler had close to 99% raid attendance. If that's not a sign of scripting/botting, I don't know what is.

[xdrcfrx]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At one point, Arcler had close to 99% raid attendance. If that's not a sign of scripting/botting, I don't know what is.

in other words, "no u."

another compelling argument from the Vanquish brain trust.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by xdrcfrx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in other words, "no u."

This is exactly right. You pretend that Detoxx or Furoar have no credibility, but neither does Arcler. If I recall correctly, he was busted calling a Trakanon pop before it ever appeared on the screen. Since then, he's learned to cheat in a less obvious manner, and his raid attendance had a steep drop off.

Do you want us to forget the incident or pretend it never happened?

The only point I'm trying to make is that Riot only pretends to be more virtuous.

Vanquish doesn't pretend to be anything it isn't.

[xdrcfrx]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is exactly right. ...

Vanquish doesn't pretend to be anything it isn't.

so your point is that Vanq. is unabashedly cheating, and that's fine because at least you're honest about it?

yikes.

[nyclin]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You pretend that Detoxx or Furoar have no credibility, but neither does Arcler. If I recall correctly, he was busted calling a Trakanon pop before it ever appeared on the screen. Since then, he's learned to cheat in a less obvious manner, and his raid attendance had a steep drop off.

you're just trying to muddy the waters with this bullshit but i still want to ask: how is this accusation even remotely plausible? there's no info available to the client that says 'this mob is going to pop' - the server just says 'this mob is here' and the client draws it.

or are you trying to say that Arcler is in fact clairvoyant and is using his supernatural powers to help Riot... not get mobs? with such awesome power on Riot's side, you'd think we'd be winning everything with ease.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by nyclin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you're just trying to muddy the waters with this bullshit but i still want to ask: how is this accusation even remotely plausible? there's no info available to the client that says 'this mob is going to pop' - the server just says 'this mob is here' and the client draws it.

or are you trying to say that Arcler is in fact clairvoyant and is using his supernatural powers to help Riot... not get mobs? with such awesome power on Riot's side, you'd think we'd be winning everything with ease.

His python script + SEQ was too efficient and it sent the batphone before the pixels even appeared on the screen.

I mean, this is the exact same thing that Riot players are accusing Vanquish of in this very thread, right?

Reaction time is too fast for roll races or Badain hand ins, must be cheating! Too bad accusations against Riot leadership for the exact same thing have been around for so much longer...

[xdrcfrx]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

His python script + SEQ was too efficient and it sent the batphone before the pixels even appeared on the screen.

I mean, this is the exact same thing that Riot players are accusing Vanquish of in this very thread, right?

Reaction time is too fast for roll races or Badain hand ins, must be cheating! Too bad accusations against Riot leadership for the exact same thing have been around for so much longer...

whataboutism? check.

false equivalence? check.

one more and you'll hit the bad faith triple crown. I believe in you!

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by xdrcfrx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

whataboutism? check.

false equivalence? check.

one more and you'll hit the bad faith triple crown. I believe in you!

Nice ad hominem! And a strawman!

Oh, the hypocrisy!

[nyclin]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

His python script + SEQ was too efficient and it sent the batphone before the pixels even appeared on the screen.

I mean, this is the exact same thing that Riot players are accusing Vanquish of in this very thread, right?

Reaction time is too fast for roll races or Badain hand ins, must be cheating! Too bad accusations against Riot leadership for the exact same thing have been around for so much longer...

ahh okay got it, you're conflating something absolutely impossible (predicting spawns) with something unlikely, but possible (scripting runs/autofiring Badain)

you should probably stick to accusing people of things you actually understand

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by nyclin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ahh okay got it, you're conflating something absolutely impossible (predicting spawns) with something unlikely, but possible (scripting runs/autofiring Badain)

you should probably stick to accusing people of things you actually understand

I'm not sure I'm the one conflating things, you're the one who assumed it was about a prediction. What I'm saying is that trakanon showed on SEQ and his pything script sent off the batphone before it even appeared on the screen.

Like a 0.03 second reaction time. It's inhuman.