HOW BOUT THAT DC BOMBER????

[Ooloo]

Well reality and the truth matters if you're crafting policy or trying to move forward, which "progressives" purport to want to do, but they take stances that move backward.

Here's what happens:

Somebody says White people commit terrorisms too!

And then I say "yeah but it barely matters"

And then I get banned for responding, even though the other person is the one racializing things in the first place. I'm not like running around yelling "brown people are doing bad terrors!!" unprovoked. We are a very dumb species.

[Whale biologist]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And then I say "yeah but it barely matters"

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[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by Whale biologist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A depraved heart. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Obviously I mean it "barely matters" relative to other forms of innocent people dying. I think we all agree; innocent people dying is bad. We want less of it. Therefor it is incoherent to focus on a very small number, while ignoring an insanely larger number.

Please see: Black Lives Matter totally ignoring the black on black murder rate while claiming to care about black lives. The hypocrisy is so insanely stark and obvious, and then guilt ridden dorks get uncomfortable about reality and start banning everyone who is trying to actually fix problems.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Obviously I mean it "barely matters" relative to other forms of innocent people dying. I think we all agree; innocent people dying is bad. We want less of it. Therefor it is incoherent to focus on a very small number, while ignoring an insanely larger number.

Please see: Black Lives Matter totally ignoring the black on black murder rate while claiming to care about black lives. The hypocrisy is so insanely stark and obvious, and then guilt ridden dorks get uncomfortable about reality and start banning everyone who is trying to actually fix problems.

All BLM ever had to do was simply say, “yes black on black crime is a much bigger problem in terms of lives lost, but we have no idea how to fix it. Police brutality is something we believe we can change”

I would respect them so much more if they said thst

But instead we get stuff like “Don’t change the subject, we’re not talking about that! Why are you trying to deflect you fucking white supremacist?!”

[Smoofers]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All BLM ever had to do was simply say, “yes black on black crime is a much bigger problem in terms of lives lost, but we have no idea how to fix it. Police brutality is something we believe we can change”

I would respect them so much more if they said thst

But instead we get stuff like “Don’t change the subject, we’re not talking about that! Why are you trying to deflect you fucking white supremacist?!”

Not meant to be a racist statement but I'm sure someone will construe this as such: black folks are responsible for more mass shootings in the US than any other racial group. If you account for % population makeup the normalized statistic is even more dramatic. This is an example of something that needs to be addressed but really isn't.

[hobart]

Originally Posted by Smoofers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not meant to be a racist statement but I'm sure someone will construe this as such: black folks are responsible for more mass shootings in the US than any other racial group. If you account for % population makeup the normalized statistic is even more dramatic. This is an example of something that needs to be addressed but really isn't.

I believe black Americans are 15% of the population or so. Do they account for 15% of mass shootings? I'm not saying you're wrong, but I would be surprised.

Crime statistics by race won't be much of a topic anymore. More and more black Americans and bi-racial people of all flavors are changing how they identify.

[Whale biologist]

Originally Posted by hobart [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I believe black Americans are 15% of the population or so. Do they account for 15% of mass shootings? I'm not saying you're wrong, but I would be surprised.

Crime statistics by race won't be much of a topic anymore. More and more black Americans and bi-racial people of all flavors are changing how they identify.

It's mostly a bullshit math trick. These "Neo" Conservatives love a shortcut to logic.

woah

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well reality and the truth matters if you're crafting policy or trying to move forward, which "progressives" purport to want to do, but they take stances that move backward.

Here's what happens:

Somebody says White people commit terrorisms too!

And then I say "yeah but it barely matters"

And then I get banned for responding, even though the other person is the one racializing things in the first place. I'm not like running around yelling "brown people are doing bad terrors!!" unprovoked. We are a very dumb species.

The problem is mass murder doesn't really have a constant, fixed definition

Some define it as x amount KILLED in a single shooting, others, like this wikipedia page, identify it as x amount SHOT in a single shooting, in this case 4 or more in a single incident, including the perpetrator

This definition of only people SHOT, not killed, will produce a large number of mass shootings in 2020

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...States_in_2020

Now let's add up the total amount of dead from mass shootings in 2020 from wikkipedia using this form of definition: 521


Let's compare to the total numbers of murders in 2020: "A 25 percent increase in murder in 2020 would mean the United States surpassed 20,000 murders in a year for the first time since 1995. (The final official numbers for 2020 will not be released until late September.)" (source: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/16/u...-rate-usa.html)

So, to not double up, let's subtract from the total murders, the total deaths from mass shootings: 20,000 - 521 = 19,479


521 versus 19,479. Remember the sesame street song "One of these numbers is not like the other!"


So even with this very encompassing definition of mass shootings, yes, they are largely insignificant compared to simple murder, in terms of the risk to the public