It's official: Riot is done.

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll take the L on this one. Considering you found the one instance of someone in Riot joking about something he very clearly shouldn't have been joking about. We can hold that up to the dozens of instances of trainquish doing much worse so you can push your equivalency narrative.

I'm still curious if we could get an explanation from your pocket GM as to why he thinks 2 boxing is worthy of a permaban but your guild leader is still alive and well on the server. And before you spout off about 'whataboutism' this isn't that. I'm honestly curious considering how prominent his stance is about 2 boxing these days.

I would love to hear things from someone smarter than me but that would require me to go outside of these forums and counterspinning all the trainquish gaslighting and lying is a full time job. You guys just can't help yourselves from creating post after post full of lies.

Lol so far Riot is the only guild to do these things:

1. Directly interfere with another guilds engage but dispelling a slowable mob in an attempt to wipe them not once, but twice (Zlandicar and Statue. Cant remember who dispelled Statue but, still in Riot).

2. Directly train another guilds attempt on Trakanon with an eyeball in hopes of not getting caught but getting caught anyways. (Herpaderp Yankovich doesnt know how mechanics work after years on the server and leading a "raiding" guild. Still in Riot).

3. Intentionally cast Celerity on Vanquishes members who where going out to SoW for kiting guards on a Vulak engage in hopes of them getting smoked for thinking they had SoW but instead had Celerity (Aagent, still in Riot).

4. Intentionally try to disrupt CH Chains in hopes of causing a wipe. This has happened many times with nearly no response from Riot other than "Oh well". (Tekka, still in Riot)

5. Claims of bias from a GM when there are no current Vanquish members on staff having input on raid decisions while Blistig, who is Wigging from Riot, who is currently still in the raid scene, will have input on raid disputes. Lets not forget that Wigging, at one point, was a speaker for Riot in the UN and there is no chance he will not have a bias.

So sorry that you get trained by Vanquish every once and a while, its part of the game. It happens on both sides and we own up to it when we do. You know what Vanquish doesnt do? Any of those things listed above that are truly toxic.

[Nutsax]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

5. Claims of bias from a GM when there are no current Vanquish members on staff having input on raid decisions

Who is the former member?

[Nutsax]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Claims of bias from a GM when there are no current Vanquish members on staff having input on raid decisions

Who is the former member?

[Nutsax]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Claims of bias from a GM when there are no current Vanquish members on staff having input on raid decisions

Who is the former Vanquish member?

[Nutsax]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Claims of bias from a GM when there are no current Vanquish members on staff having input on raid decisions

Over 24 hours and all you knowitall cucks in Trainquish can't answer this simple question......

Who is the former member?

[remen]

Originally Posted by Nutsax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Over 24 hours and all you knowitall cucks in Trainquish can't answer this simple question......

Who is the former member?

There is none you nitwit

[myrddraal]

Originally Posted by Nutsax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Over 24 hours and all you knowitall cucks in Trainquish can't answer this simple question......

Who is the former member?

Oleris, allegedly. Vanquish seems convinced wigging was made a gm but #doubt

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by myrddraal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oleris, allegedly. Vanquish seems convinced wigging was made a gm but #doubt

I heard that he was caught streaming as Meitner. Pretty hard to dispute.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All the lawyering in this thread is from you. You're taking a single sentence and asking everyone to ignore all context of where it was posted and when it was posted and everything posted afterwards. Again, that's not how reading works. Nothing Sirken posted includes anything about Dain. The only mention of Dain is from Galach 3 years later and only in the context of removing max racers.

Your entire argument was predicated that the post regarding racer FTEs could not possibly apply to dain because the thread did not name dain in the title. Yet other at least one other post in the thread clearly named dain in the list of targets.

Now that we know that the thread did in fact include dain specific rules, the ruling can be applied to dain, and both the title of the thread and your argument so far are confirmed to be irrelevant.

So what you have established so far:

1) Sirken's footrace FTE ruling that forbids use of lull can apply to dain
2) Riot broke this rule on 4/17
3) Riot has not utilized this tactic since then in passive acknowledgement that it is in fact against the rules.

Let's move on now to other documented instances of rules Riot has clearly broken:

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. Directly interfere with another guilds engage but dispelling a slowable mob in an attempt to wipe them not once, but twice (Zlandicar and Statue. Cant remember who dispelled Statue but, still in Riot).

2. Directly train another guilds attempt on Trakanon with an eyeball in hopes of not getting caught but getting caught anyways. (Herpaderp Yankovich doesnt know how mechanics work after years on the server and leading a "raiding" guild. Still in Riot).

3. Intentionally cast Celerity on Vanquishes members who where going out to SoW for kiting guards on a Vulak engage in hopes of them getting smoked for thinking they had SoW but instead had Celerity (Aagent, still in Riot).

4. Intentionally try to disrupt CH Chains in hopes of causing a wipe. This has happened many times with nearly no response from Riot other than "Oh well". (Tekka, still in Riot)

I'd also like to add the two occasions so far that I've personally witnessed a KRIOT engage of Lord Vyemm go sideways, and they've left the dragon untanked for longer than the allotted duration in order to allow it to regenerate so that it prevents an easy Vanquish engage.

Any objections to these as they are laid out? I'm sure that you've got something imaginative to senselessly defend your guild on these indefensible situations.

If one thing is clear, though, it's obvious that Riot is not any more noble than their opponents on this server.

There's nothing shadier than a bunch of shady mother fuckers pretending they're not shady.

[Croco]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your entire argument was predicated that the post regarding racer FTEs could not possibly apply to dain because the thread did not name dain in the title. Yet other at least one other post in the thread clearly named dain in the list of targets.

Now that we know that the thread did in fact include dain specific rules, the ruling can be applied to dain, and both the title of the thread and your argument so far are confirmed to be irrelevant.

So what you have established so far:

1) Sirken's footrace FTE ruling that forbids use of lull can apply to dain
2) Riot broke this rule on 4/17
3) Riot has not utilized this tactic since then in passive acknowledgement that it is in fact against the rules.

Let's move on now to other documented instances of rules Riot has clearly broken:



I'd also like to add the two occasions so far that I've personally witnessed a KRIOT engage of Lord Vyemm go sideways, and they've left the dragon untanked for longer than the allotted duration in order to allow it to regenerate so that it prevents an easy Vanquish engage.

Any objections to these as they are laid out? I'm sure that you've got something imaginative to senselessly defend your guild on these indefensible situations.

If one thing is clear, though, it's obvious that Riot is not any more noble than their opponents on this server.

There's nothing shadier than a bunch of shady mother fuckers pretending they're not shady.

Your entire argument is predicated on ignoring everything in the thread you don't agree with, including the title. The thread includes a rule that applies to dain, isn't specific to him, since it's a rule that galach simultaneously imposes on kael and icewell, and is completely removed by 3 years and a different GM from the "proof" you posted.

Whether we decide to lull pull or not at any point before a rule is put in place regarding it's legality is not an admission of anything and you insinuating it is more VQ double speak and gaslighting.

As for your other documented instances I agree with #1, not #2 since that was an accident, yes to #3, and yes to #4. All the people involved in these situations were either guild removed or disciplined for their actions, some of the involved parties were still applicants and not yet aware of how serious we take our code of conduct. None of them have repeated these offenses, and Riot, unlike VQ, is willing to admit when we fuck up in these manners and take appropriate action or accept appropriate punishment a gm sees fit.

It's hilarious that you mention that vyemm where we "wiped too slow", which isn't a thing by the way, and which Riot has watched VQ do on multiple occasions with the AoW in order to deny Riot a chance to engage before the despawn mechanic engaged. It is what it is though, there's no such thing as "wiping too slow", and if there was we'd both equally be guilty of it by your definition.

Your guild wrote the book on being shady while pretending you're not but you actually are worse than that because you don't even pretend to not be shady you just outright ignore issues when they're brought up. You say shit in the UN like "oh we'll address it after the cycle", then get mad that something wasn't brought up immediately in the UN. You try to draw equivalency by listing the the things detoxx said and try to compare them to cheating and disreputable behavior that's 10x worse and say "LOOK! WE'RE THE SAME!", we're not even in the same universe of shady actions and cheating that VQ is guilty of. You all dwarf anything we've done by orders of magnitude. Which is not to say that makes anything we've done irrelevant, obviously 2 wrongs don't make a right.

Your wording in this very post is deceptive and gaslighting. Take the following:

Yet other at least one other post in the thread clearly named dain in the list of targets.

You continue to say shit in an effort to twist meaning and remove context. You obviously know what you're doing because you do it so skillfully and so consistently but it also shows how disingenuous you are and blatantly casts light on the fact that nothing you say can be taken seriously if you're willing to try and twist context to fit your narrative.

I'll pose a question for you that's very simple, and you won't answer it plainly because it wouldn't fit your narrative. If Sirken, or Galach for that matter, imposed a rule that lull pulling was off limits for "all footrace FTEs" as you are desperately trying to get everyone to believe is the point of your out of context "proof" then why did neither of them update the official P99 blue server raid rules to reflect as much? There's zero mention of lull anywhere in that thread. Would you like to know why?

Because there is no such rule.