p99 at lowest point since launch

[SantagarBrax]

Originally Posted by xdrcfrx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

just responding to a couple of your points. RE: #2, this would be easier to believe if vanquish ever actually took responsibility for it's trains, and if they didn't seem to happen week after week, even when the competing raid force wasn't anywhere close to the vanquish raid.

RE: #3, I think the items you mentioned in parenthesis are actually the stamp the current GM's have put on the server, which you say is lacking. Along these lines, re: #5, I think the GM's position seems pretty easy to articulate: in year 6 of velious, it's probably ok to dial back how cutthroat the competition is and allow for some limited sharing of content among guilds that aren't really able or willing to engage in the literally insane p99 raid scene, especially when nearly all orgs that exist and interact with each other agree to do so. Getting a chance every 3 months to kill a limited selection of targets is nice, and you still get to go super hard more than 90% of the time.

I believe vanquish does take responsibility for trains. We conceded last Dain for screwing up the pull and we do that frequently when we screw up. We're just not going to concede a target when there's no active engage on it: i.e. Riot clearing to doubles doesn't mean we're conceding jorlleag and lady N if we're training to triples from vyemm while you guys are kiting some mobs at bottom of triples ramp without our knowledge.

In response to "cutting back how cutthroat the competition is and allow for some limited sharing of content" - NO. Go somewhere else if you want that. There's plenty of other options. This is the only competitive server that hasn't been nerf nuked to hell and double wrapped in plastic bubbles within bubbles.

You (general you) don't deserve content that you aren't willing to sacrifice and put in the time and effort to see that content / pixels. If you want a participation trophy of content / pixels, go to any of the multiple options where you can do that.

[xdrcfrx]

Originally Posted by SantagarBrax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I believe vanquish does take responsibility for trains. We conceded last Dain for screwing up the pull and we do that frequently when we screw up. We're just not going to concede a target when there's no active engage on it: i.e. Riot clearing to doubles doesn't mean we're conceding jorlleag and lady N if we're training to triples from vyemm while you guys are kiting some mobs at bottom of triples ramp without our knowledge.

In response to "cutting back how cutthroat the competition is and allow for some limited sharing of content" - NO. Go somewhere else if you want that. There's plenty of other options. This is the only competitive server that hasn't been nerf nuked to hell and double wrapped in plastic bubbles within bubbles.

You (general you) don't deserve content that you aren't willing to sacrifice and put in the time and effort to see that content / pixels. If you want a participation trophy of content / pixels, go to any of the multiple options where you can do that.

if the suggestion was to do away with competition even half of the time, you'd had a point here. But when you (the general you) cry as much as some people do over a draft week one week out of every thirteen, it's hard to take them seriously.

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I don't think it's competition you all are really after.

[SantagarBrax]

Originally Posted by xdrcfrx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if the suggestion was to do away with competition even half of the time, you'd had a point here. But when you (the general you) cry as much as some people do over a draft week one week out of every thirteen, it's hard to take them seriously.

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I don't think it's competition you all are really after.

Because it's a slippery slope and we never come back from it. If you wan't charity and free pixels without competition, go to another server. There's plenty out there, stop trying to castrate the only legitimate competitive server in existence.

[xdrcfrx]

Originally Posted by SantagarBrax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because it's a slippery slope and we never come back from it. If you wan't charity and free pixels without competition, go to another server. There's plenty out there, stop trying to castrate the only legitimate competitive server in existence.

interesting choice of words, yikes. paging dr. freud.

you get to <strike>train everyone</strike> compete the way you want 12 out of every 13 weeks, it's gonna be ok. "slippery slope" as argument is generally considered a logical fallacy, so don't be surprised that nearly everyone else on the server rolls their eyes at you for thinking the sky is falling because GM's said you had to share your toys.

[Whale biologist]

Originally Posted by xdrcfrx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you get to <strike>train everyone</strike> compete the way you want 12

train everyone