CoWorker said the border was at fault that non-vaxed ppl are dying

[loramin]

This whole phenomena of willfully risking death unnecessarily is just so incredible to me. I mean, I get it: people invest their identity in Trump and QAnon, which means they have to accept Trump/QAnon beliefs or else question their identity (something we humans hate doing: we're extremely tribal creatures). That "stick to your beliefs/tribe's beliefs" force is literally stronger than our natural self-preservation force.

But even though I understand it on some level, it just feels like the bad punchline to a Simpsons joke or something. In 20 years from now, people just won't even understand how millions of Americans willfully chose to get Covid and die; it won't make any sense at all to them out of context.

[HalflingSpergand]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This whole phenomena of willfully risking death unnecessarily is just so incredible to me. I mean, I get it: people invest their identity in Trump and QAnon, which means they have to accept Trump/QAnon beliefs or else question their identity (something we humans hate doing: we're extremely tribal creatures). That "stick to your beliefs/tribe's beliefs" force is literally stronger than our natural self-preservation force.

But even though I understand it on some level, it just feels like the bad punchline to a Simpsons joke or something. In 20 years from now, people just won't even understand how millions of Americans willfully chose to get Covid and die; it won't make any sense at all to them out of context.

Ever drive in an automobile going 70. And I'm giving you the benefit of imagining covid is a real risk

[Thorgrimm]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This whole phenomena of willfully risking death unnecessarily is just so incredible to me. I mean, I get it: people invest their identity in Trump and QAnon, which means they have to accept Trump/QAnon beliefs or else question their identity (something we humans hate doing: we're extremely tribal creatures). That "stick to your beliefs/tribe's beliefs" force is literally stronger than our natural self-preservation force.

But even though I understand it on some level, it just feels like the bad punchline to a Simpsons joke or something. In 20 years from now, people just won't even understand how millions of Americans willfully chose to get Covid and die; it won't make any sense at all to them out of context.

It literally has a 99.7% survival rate

You're just pushing fear porn

[Gwaihir]

You're terminally stupid. Pearl clutching boomers afraid of catching the common cold got you fully retarded.
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[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by Thorgrimm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It literally has a 99.7% survival rate

You're just pushing fear porn

It's boomers dying of natural causes.

[Botten]

Loramin, I agree.

I have a coworker so frustrated he is acting out of confused rage now.

He actually has misdirected rage that he is being told one thing to believe from these extreme radio hosts and seeing another reality before his eyes. Worse he is being told to be afraid by both political sides.

I get it he is ultimately afraid he could go to the hospital from this all. And he has diabetes too.

Sanity flies out the window, when we have ppl blaming the ones trying to help them.

[Evia]

Except what if they're not actually trying to help you at all?
I mean, the Bible says if you ever need know if something is good or bad is to look at their fruits. If they bare good fruit then you know they're good. If they bare bad fruit then be wary.

All the talking heads on TV, at the cdc, and our own government are doing is creating fear, hatred, separation, and war with their fruits.

The anti vaxxers are just minding their own business and haven't done anything wrong besides simply exist and have different views on health care. It's preposterous that because your preventative medicine isn't preventing well enough that other people must subscribe to your belief structure otherwise it's immoral? The only things that is immoral is expecting someone else to adhere to your beliefs because you're afraid.

[Synphul]

Originally Posted by Evia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The anti vaxxers are just minding their own business and haven't done anything wrong besides simply exist and have different views on health care. It's preposterous that because your preventative medicine isn't preventing well enough that other people must subscribe to your belief structure otherwise it's immoral? The only things that is immoral is expecting someone else to adhere to your beliefs because you're afraid.

This is well put. Many people are quick to hop on the 'science' train because, just like most technology, people want the latest and greatest and don't often think about the consequences of having/using it. Most of the science going into these vaccines is new and people absolutely have the right to be leery of A.) new technology and B.) a falliable government pushing it on them. In the grand scheme of things vaccination itself is a recent technology in human history - sorry guys 200 hundred years isn't that long when viewed from outside the context of a single human lifespan. This new mRNA technology is supposedly cutting edge technology and we're so quick to hate on people that have reservations about it when it is largely untested? Long term studies are done for a reason. Mix in politics with vaccinations and I can't see why anyone would hate on someone that's skeptical about putting it in their body. Most of the people I hear that have reservations about it have to do more with it's complete lack of long term case study than anything to do with the goverment or politics.

I'm not pitching pro/anti-vax anything, just that maybe we should take under consideration that it's actually normal for people to have some of these reservations and that, if history has taught us anything, they should. Tell me this, who are you going to sue to cover your medical costs in 10-15 years if it ends up there are some unforeseen long term consequences of mRNA mingling? Can't sue the gov or the pharmas, so you're just hoping they will willingly take care of you for their mistake? It's not outside the realm of reality to be concerned for your future, or your childrens' future when you have to decide something like this for them, but in a society where most people can't think further than today or maybe tomorrow, I'm not surprised so many have developed a blind loyalty to goverment and the science of the day.

Originally Posted by Bardp1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can everyone shut the fuck up about Covid - No one gives a shit if you get vaxxed or not, just stop talking about it

If you get that triggered you should stop clicking on threads where it's obvious in the title it will be about COVID-related shit.

[Botten]

Originally Posted by Evia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The anti vaxxers are just minding their own business and haven't done anything wrong besides simply exist and have different views on health care. It's preposterous that because your preventative medicine isn't preventing well enough that other people must subscribe to your belief structure otherwise it's immoral? The only things that is immoral is expecting someone else to adhere to your beliefs because you're afraid.

https://www.health.com/condition/inf...treat-covid-19

From this article it sympathizes with others, that it is the anti-vax community that is now hindering our chances to get over this virus quicker. But thankfully we will soon have the pill and if Covid is caught early it will help to reduce the virus even more.

I guess in one silver lining, if the feds or business finalize on whether those that don’t take the vaccine need to take weekly tests this pill could save their lives and further slow the spread of the disease.

[Thorgrimm]

Originally Posted by Botten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://www.health.com/condition/inf...treat-covid-19

From this article it sympathizes with others, that it is the anti-vax community that is now hindering our chances to get over this virus quicker. But thankfully we will soon have the pill and if Covid is caught early it will help to reduce the virus even more.

I guess in one silver lining, if the feds or business finalize on whether those that don’t take the vaccine need to take weekly tests this pill could save their lives and further slow the spread of the disease.

There is no such thing as an "anti vax community"

It's a made up term