Riot kites then kills KT. Surprised no free Vulak after wiping on free attempt.

[Croco]

Originally Posted by Grumph [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wasn’t a concession given for that LTK and a PnP ban was still issued?

Yeah 2x concession for a mob that at the time you were very rarely contesting. No offer to stop and help CR in the moment. Instead y'all went on and killed 2 (3?) other targets while Riot came and helped Kittens CR and kill LTK. Doing so caused Riot to lose out on Growth/Tunare.

But yeah that 2x LTK was obviously the only necessary punishment.

Wipe an opposing guilds raid, don't offer to help CR in the moment, and take advantage of it by getting 3-4 additional bosses you might not have otherwise killed. The Quish Way.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah 2x concession for a mob that at the time you were very rarely contesting. No offer to stop and help CR in the moment. Instead y'all went on and killed 2 (3?) other targets while Riot came and helped Kittens CR and kill LTK. Doing so caused Riot to lose out on Growth/Tunare.

But yeah that 2x LTK was obviously the only necessary punishment.

Wipe an opposing guilds raid, don't offer to help CR in the moment, and take advantage of it by getting 3-4 additional bosses you might not have otherwise killed. The Quish Way.

Two issues with this scenario: Who the fuck needs HELP recovering from LTK? Any non-KOS cleric can just walk up there and any monk can move the corpses.

And who is to blame that Riot CHOSE to go for LTK instead of contesting other mobs?

How is any of that Vanquish's fault? It's not their fault you suck.

[Grumph]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah 2x concession for a mob that at the time you were very rarely contesting. No offer to stop and help CR in the moment. Instead y'all went on and killed 2 (3?) other targets while Riot came and helped Kittens CR and kill LTK. Doing so caused Riot to lose out on Growth/Tunare.

But yeah that 2x LTK was obviously the only necessary punishment.

Wipe an opposing guilds raid, don't offer to help CR in the moment, and take advantage of it by getting 3-4 additional bosses you might not have otherwise killed. The Quish Way.

Hey Croco, I’m not personally trying to read your mind here.

But FYI a normal human reaction to what you just posted would be something like:

“Well I’m never going to do anything for or give up a single inch to Croco now. Look how he responds when you give a concession? Whines and complains for more more more more! No thank you!”

[Croco]

Originally Posted by Grumph [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey Croco, I’m not personally trying to read your mind here.

But FYI a normal human reaction to what you just posted would be something like:

“Well I’m never going to do anything for or give up a single inch to Croco now. Look how he responds when you give a concession? Whines and complains for more more more more! No thank you!”

I will elaborate on my post since you don't seem to have gotten the point. The concession was hollow and meaningless because Frag at the time was almost never killing LTK. So the cost to Kittens was a lot of wasted time and targets lost and the cost to Frag was nothing.

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Two issues with this scenario: Who the fuck needs HELP recovering from LTK? Any non-KOS cleric can just walk up there and any monk can move the corpses.

And who is to blame that Riot CHOSE to go for LTK instead of contesting other mobs?

How is any of that Vanquish's fault? It's not their fault you suck.

You heard it here from Samoht folks! If you wipe a guild during an engage you don't need to help them recover if you feel like it should be an easy recovery. Wasted time doesn't matter! Riot chose to come help do what Frag should've immediately stopped to help do at the time it happened. Because Riot was/is a standup guild and Frag/Vanq is an approximation of a large pile of garbage.

Your boy Incubo is the "suck" you're referring to. He was told before he trained that there was a guild at west exit and decided to train out that direction anyways. Too bad Frag had no integrity at the time to do the right thing. Something that continues to this day.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by xdrcfrx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's a deflection because that's not what this thread is about. I know you want to make it about a different subject

I'll quote the context you're missing because you obviously can't read:

Originally Posted by Hotel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this exact thing happened where another guild trained another guild preparing for a vulak engage, and we actually had fraps with an /assist of a riot member bringing it in

you know what the ruling was

take a wild fucking guess

Just to boil it down, people are providing you with examples of trains that went unpunished. Seems on topic to me. Moving on...

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You heard it here from Samoht folks! If you wipe a guild during an engage you don't need to help them recover if you feel like it should be an easy recovery.

It's not their fault you seriously suck so bad that you can't recover on your own in a non-KOS wing of ToV. You're demanding blood from a stone. You received your concessions. You're owed nothing more. Move on.

[xdrcfrx]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

gaslighting

so is your position that training isn't against the rules? Noted.

Literally all you people need to do is say "sorry" and not kill a pixel dragon this time because you wasted a ton of people's time (probably, but not provably, on purpose).

And you wonder why literally everyone that isn't in your guild dislikes you. lol.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by xdrcfrx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

gaslighting

I'm convinced you don't know what this word means, either.

Originally Posted by xdrcfrx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so is your position that training isn't against the rules? Noted.

You're just making shit up now, right? At no point did I state that training was not against the rules, but there's no reason to keep demanding punishment after the offending party has already been punished.

Originally Posted by xdrcfrx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Literally all you people need to do is say "sorry" and not kill a pixel dragon this time because you wasted a ton of people's time (probably, but not provably, on purpose).

Yes, this is exactly the nature of concessions. This is the punishment system agreed upon by all competing guilds and enforced by the server staff. If you do not agree with concessions your choices are A) Don't raid here or B) Raid somewhere else. Seems to be working for everybody else involved except for you idiots, though.

I hear that live has a raiding environment that is basically competition free. Or since you seem to want things to be over the top easy, you could try World of Warcraft.

[xdrcfrx]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

more examples of why no one likes me

sorry you are the way you are. better luck next time, pal.

[tacomagradd]

The back peddling after page 29 of this thread is just spectacular to watch.

The denial dam has busted, and now we get to see a flood of whataboutism, deflection, and vigorous debate about the relative impact of training another guild at a raid encounter.

None of this actually warrants a response, because the defensiveness tells the whole story. Just take responsibility for breaking the rules and move on.

You can't be dead wrong for 29 pages and then expect people to believe you now.

[Hotel]

Originally Posted by tacomagradd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The back peddling after page 29 of this thread is just spectacular to watch.

The denial dam has busted, and now we get to see a flood of whataboutism, deflection, and vigorous debate about the relative impact of training another guild at a raid encounter.

None of this actually warrants a response, because the defensiveness tells the whole story. Just take responsibility for breaking the rules and move on.

You can't be dead wrong for 29 pages and then expect people to believe you now.

enjoy writing the petition