Riot kites then kills KT. Surprised no free Vulak after wiping on free attempt.

[sydbarrett25]

Originally Posted by remen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In voice:

Jutebox: "Cycle camp since those mobs got so close up here...I would hate to see them come up here"

As train comes in:
"We should have cycled!"
"Apparently not everybody did"

Klaz wasnt in our coms, at least dont think he was. He should have cycled

[remen]

Originally Posted by sydbarrett25 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Klaz wasnt in our coms, at least dont think he was. He should have cycled

How can you be so obtuse? Is it deliberate?

Clearly the point is that members of your raid were aware that your raid was in social range of the mobs and should have cycled camp, but didn't.

[Loke]

Even if Klaz was at fault, which I've seen no conclusive evidence of, what did the train actually change? In an alternate universe where no train occurs, Riot still wipes trying to AE Vulak's guards (again, kudos to the Riot brain trust on that brilliant strategy), and Vanquish still kills Vulak. You guys had all the time in the world to recover, so I'm assuming you engaged at full strength, and if you didn't, that's kind of on you for rushing when you had no reason to.

This is just another instance of Riot (and their B-Team, Kittens) trying to rule lawyer free mobs that they know they can rarely get competitively. AFAIK, Riot has still never killed a Vulak without either clearing 4 way or killing a guard or two. They just can't compete in the current early engage meta that requires a 6 guard kite and 4 way train away. When they do get Vulak it is either because Vanq has low numbers and Riot can clear without worrying about Vanq doing their normal engage, or because 4 way was clear already from killing a blocker.

Again, if the shoe was on the other foot, Riot would be making the same arguments Vanq is making. We've seen them make the exact same arguments before. The Doze example I gave earlier is a similar "train" scenario, and there are a number of situations where Riot has felt that allowing the other guild a fair shot at the mob should suffice (I remember a Dagarn ledge train specifically). This is a prime example of the double standard that both guilds are admittedly guilty of at times. If we want to set the precedent that allowing the other entity a shot at engage is sufficient (which imo we absolutely should as it would reduce petition quest), here is a great opportunity to set it.

But we all know that isn't what Riot's leadership actually wants. Some people (Arcler, JB, Jute, Space) clearly love this elf lawyer BS and getting up on their soap box in the UN, so they'll continue to play the victim until the shoe is on the other foot, and then pretend Vanquish submitting similar petitions is causing toxicity.

[Nexii]

The thread title is an admission that Vanquish decided not to concede Vulak not because of the facts of what obviously happened, but because KT went to petition. Lol.

[remen]

Originally Posted by Nexii [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The thread title is an admission that Vanquish decided not to concede Vulak not because of the facts of what obviously happened, but because KT went to petition. Lol.

The thread title was created by one member of the guild. To extrapolate that into the decision making and mindset of Vanquish as a whole demonstrates a lack of intelligence.

Vanquish decided not to concede Vulak because we didn't train you.

[k9quaint]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even if Klaz was at fault, which I've seen no conclusive evidence of, what did the train actually change? In an alternate universe where no train occurs, Riot still wipes trying to AE Vulak's guards (again, kudos to the Riot brain trust on that brilliant strategy), and Vanquish still kills Vulak. You guys had all the time in the world to recover, so I'm assuming you engaged at full strength, and if you didn't, that's kind of on you for rushing when you had no reason to.

This is just another instance of Riot (and their B-Team, Kittens) trying to rule lawyer free mobs that they know they can rarely get competitively. AFAIK, Riot has still never killed a Vulak without either clearing 4 way or killing a guard or two. They just can't compete in the current early engage meta that requires a 6 guard kite and 4 way train away. When they do get Vulak it is either because Vanq has low numbers and Riot can clear without worrying about Vanq doing their normal engage, or because 4 way was clear already from killing a blocker.

Again, if the shoe was on the other foot, Riot would be making the same arguments Vanq is making. We've seen them make the exact same arguments before. The Doze example I gave earlier is a similar "train" scenario, and there are a number of situations where Riot has felt that allowing the other guild a fair shot at the mob should suffice (I remember a Dagarn ledge train specifically). This is a prime example of the double standard that both guilds are admittedly guilty of at times. If we want to set the precedent that allowing the other entity a shot at engage is sufficient (which imo we absolutely should as it would reduce petition quest), here is a great opportunity to set it.

But we all know that isn't what Riot's leadership actually wants. Some people (Arcler, JB, Jute, Space) clearly love this elf lawyer BS and getting up on their soap box in the UN, so they'll continue to play the victim until the shoe is on the other foot, and then pretend Vanquish submitting similar petitions is causing toxicity.

If you had conceded, we would have taken the free Vulak and tried the science next week. In any case, Vanquish will implode eventually. The same group always have in the past, and probably always will. We just have to be patient while you are in your pupal stage [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Hotel]

Originally Posted by k9quaint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you had conceded, we would have taken the free Vulak and tried the science next week. In any case, Vanquish will implode eventually. The same group always have in the past, and probably always will. We just have to be patient while you are in your pupal stage [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

every guild ever has risen and fallen on this server, so yes, vanquish will die at some point

however, your guild is DYING, and i source your population numbers that respond to vulak bat phones as evidence of this

that is very different

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Hotel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

however, your guild is DYING, and i source your population numbers that respond to vulak bat phones as evidence of this

A pandemic has subsided and the weather has warmed... Confirmation bias strikes again.

[Hotel]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A pandemic has subsided and the weather has warmed... Confirmation bias strikes again.

how is looking at a data point over time confirmation bias?

am i wrong that riot vulak responders has gone down over time?

[2eazy4]

If kittens was invited last week ya could’ve tried that strat on a uncontested vulak 😂😂

Originally Posted by k9quaint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you had conceded, we would have taken the free Vulak and tried the science next week. In any case, Vanquish will implode eventually. The same group always have in the past, and probably always will. We just have to be patient while you are in your pupal stage [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]