April fools comes late!

[NotCaros]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes obviously it was Riot's fault that the pathing is fucked and that KT warped and we had no idea where he went. Clearly we shouldn't have gone with last known information of him warping back to throne room. How foolish of us!

Notice how the 2 times vanq had completely fucked pulls, once on KT and once on Statue I believe(?) could've been 2x KT I'm not remembering perfectly (he popped out at 4 way in that building way on the other side across from the bank for one of them), Riot didn't petition you for it. Even though your tagger ended up going back towards 4 way to track the mob down. It was no fault of your own, just like it wasn't Riot's fault during that pull.

You can't be held to account for variables that literally no one knew about because the pathing changes were still very fresh and new. There's a reason your favorite GM has decided to implement a 5 minute FTE lockout currently in kael and why menden had to give updated advice about how to mitigate the warping issues, advice which didn't even work btw as we've since babied a few KT's and Statue's past that area with the person staying close/within LoS and it did nothing to solve the warping issue.

I'm not sure why you put those hypotheticals in quotes. As far as I'm aware no one said those things as you have them written. There's a difference between having pulls go awry because of fucked pathing that was still very new and racing with 5 after you guys made a huge fucking deal about "following server rules", which is a max racer limit of 4 currently. This is the bad faith arguing that you all excel at. You take 2 things that aren't similar and tie them together as if the situations are an exact parallel.

This current iteration of pulls being fucked because of warping is relatively new and has happened to both guilds. Difference being vanq is the only one to petition over it so far. Hell in the fraps you provide one of your own people can be heard on voice saying "yeah it's not their fault". Racing 5 however is a personal failure. No faulty mechanics or recent patch have anything to do with your inability to count.

Remen:
If you haven't seen that fucked pathing happening recently then you haven't been paying attention. It's happened to both riot and vanq. Also most of the time when we have trouble getting a boss through 4way and past snow piles it always seems to be when random vanq members have put agro into the mob/train, but on all of your recent statue pulls riot doesn't fuck with your pulls for any reason and wow so weird they come in nice and clean.

There's nothing standard about what has been happening with warping in kael so saying that the standard of kill 1 concede 2 applies is just ignoring a completely new set of variables that neither guild had any hand in creating. What should've happened was both guilds going to the GM's to ask what the deal was and a little benefit of the doubt given to both parties from each other, like we gave you guys when you've had warping issues just recently.

Credit where it's due you guys did concede 2x statue. Definitely not how that should've played out though as it was clear as crystal you took statue way past the line. That statue should've been dropped then you probably wouldn't have needed to concede any statues. You all killed it knowing full well it was an egregious kite that went way over the line. You had a whole team of people up there trying to pull him back.

Again I'll make the distinction because you guys keep parroting false information, you didn't concede 2 kt's for the pull, you conceded them because of 5 racers.

Everyone’s fault but yours.

Don’t know why I didn’t think of that.

[Bhairava]

Originally Posted by NotCaros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your really doubling down on segregation?

That’s a take I didn’t expect in 2021 the year of our Lord.

current year isnt an argument

you just don't have the mental capacity to actually address anything that I say.

[Bhairava]

'watch zootopia'

'wow yikes its 2021'

classical western liberalism diluted into it's purest form, mindless and anarchic and without principal

[NotCaros]

Originally Posted by Bhairava [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

current year isnt an argument

you just don't have the mental capacity to actually address anything that I say.

You think you have some kinda “IQ” advantage?

And apparently certain kinds of gifted people like yourself should for goodness sake have the power to exert authority over their lessers!

Believe it or not, this isn’t a new idea.

Mercy.

[Bhairava]

Originally Posted by NotCaros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You think you have some kinda “IQ” advantage?

And apparently certain kinds of gifted people like yourself should for goodness sake have the power to exert authority over their lessers!

Believe it or not, this isn’t a new idea.

Mercy.

The tyrannical man is the son of the democratic man. He is the worst form of man due to his being the most unjust and thus the furthest removed from any joy of the true kind. He is consumed by lawless desires which cause him to do many terrible things such as murdering and plundering. He comes closest to complete lawlessness. The idea of moderation does not exist to him. He is consumed by the basest pleasures in life, and being granted these pleasures at a whim destroys the type of pleasure only attainable through knowing pain.

[Pulgasari]

Originally Posted by Bhairava [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

liberalism diluted into it's purest form, mindless and anarchic and without principal

liberalism could kick your @$$

[Tethler]

Originally Posted by Bhairava [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The tyrannical man is the son of the democratic man. He is the worst form of man due to his being the most unjust and thus the furthest removed from any joy of the true kind. He is consumed by lawless desires which cause him to do many terrible things such as murdering and plundering. He comes closest to complete lawlessness. The idea of moderation does not exist to him. He is consumed by the basest pleasures in life, and being granted these pleasures at a whim destroys the type of pleasure only attainable through knowing pain.

Plato is real good at describing Donald Trump, wow. Like everything in there except for the murdering.

[remen]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remen:
If you haven't seen that fucked pathing happening recently then you haven't been paying attention. It's happened to both riot and vanq. Also most of the time when we have trouble getting a boss through 4way and past snow piles it always seems to be when random vanq members have put agro into the mob/train, but on all of your recent statue pulls riot doesn't fuck with your pulls for any reason and wow so weird they come in nice and clean.

There's nothing standard about what has been happening with warping in kael so saying that the standard of kill 1 concede 2 applies is just ignoring a completely new set of variables that neither guild had any hand in creating. What should've happened was both guilds going to the GM's to ask what the deal was and a little benefit of the doubt given to both parties from each other, like we gave you guys when you've had warping issues just recently.

Credit where it's due you guys did concede 2x statue. Definitely not how that should've played out though as it was clear as crystal you took statue way past the line. That statue should've been dropped then you probably wouldn't have needed to concede any statues. You all killed it knowing full well it was an egregious kite that went way over the line. You had a whole team of people up there trying to pull him back.

Do you have any proof whatsoever that Vanquish members have had any agro into your pulls? It sounds like you are parroting false information disseminated by your dishonest leadership. Our pulls come in nice and clean because it's not a difficult thing to do. I've pulled KDT, fjokar, and faction pulls from the KT throne room dozens of times since the last pathing patch and have never had a mob warp into the wall.

"You all killed it knowing full well it was an egregious kite that went way over the line."

This is also a lie, whoever is giving you this information is lying to you. I was there for that pull and in our voice comms we kept asking our pullers what happened and where the mob was and they told us it didn't get kited. They were obviously wrong, but we did not kill it knowing that it was a kite. It wasn't until we saw the fraps from the point of view of one of your players that we saw it was kited well beyond the line. So then we conceded the next two.

The why has never mattered in terms of a mob being kited, a tracker getting FTE, or other things that lead to a concede. Infractions happen, accidentally or not, because of a bug or not, and when this happens the next two are conceded. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, your puller acted in good faith running back to the KT castle, but once KT popped out at 4 way and started pathing to him he could have feigned death, capped out, run back towards 4 way, etc. He didn't and it turned into an undeniable kite.

My opinion is that your leadership made a calculated decision to just take their chances with the GMs, because worst case scenario they will rule against you guys and all that will happen is you will be forced to concede two KTs anyways. Stuff like this is acting in bad faith and is an example of why relations between our guilds have broken down.

[Bhairava]

Originally Posted by Tethler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Plato is real good at describing Donald Trump, wow. Like everything in there except for the murdering.

He is describing modern society in general - democratization of civilization descending into the tyranny of anarchism without order or hierarchy.

Trump is irrelevant - he was a tyrant, but insomuch as all modern American politics is beholden to anonymous masses of para-human 'voters', all presidents and politicians in democratic countries are 'tyrants', liberal and conservative alike.

[Bhairava]

biden is a vile murderer too btw, he was vice president when obama was droning weddings and air striking hospitals in afghanistan

all the democracy defenders and racism identifiers (tm) checking in to try to own me because I said raiders should be sent to red