Enchanters didn't charm until PoP dire charm AA

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Hyjalx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread is on enchanters, and only 1 enchanter beat me to max AA's, period. It was a race and I remember it well. And it was specifically using charm.

Anyone who followed Club Fu or played on Bristlebane knows I was better geared than just about every INT caster on live until I retired at the end of PoP. I stacked CHA/STA/HP. That certainly played a part using charm as I helped lead Club Fu with Pouty. Nobody calls me out on this, because its fact.

Most of ya'll probably never played an enchanter or were geared enough to charm. But charm was working well before PoP. Again, we were charming hatchlings in NToV and Giants in Kael. Bristlebane's first AOW kill was done with like 20 charmed giants. This same strategy was used with Afterlife and FoH. I also specifically remember charming in Chardok as well.

To be honest, most of us were using 300 MHZ computers with 8 or 16mb of ram during classic and kunark on CRT monitors that made moving efficiently extremely difficult.

Find some old parts and slap them together from 1997-2000. Have a friend who's never played EQ gear an enchanter and attempt to charm with shit gear and let me know how it goes. Bet he/she dies and doesn't try again.

Again, we all agree charming existed in classic: no one is saying otherwise. But look, you and I were on the same server: do you remember Dome, a Druid in your guild (he also had an Enchanter named Domey)? Do you happen to know if Dome charm soloed his way to 60? I can tell you, he didn't.

Dome's most elite XPing strategy was to quad Barbarians/Dwarves (not knowing this, when I later inherited his account, I would get Dome killed several times by visiting Butcherblock/Everfrost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]). It wasn't because he didn't know how to play his character, and it certainly wasn't his Internet connection, because like many in Club Fu he played from a gaming center with a T1.

So, he had a good connection, he was in the most powerful and knowledgeable guild on the server, and yet he completely eschewed animal charming (which every Druid here will happily tell you is an amazing way to get XP) ... why?

I submit that it's not because charming didn't exist: as you noted Fu absolutely charmed. I'd also submit that it's not because he was a dummy or had a bad connection. The most logical explanation I can see is that, it was because charming wasn't as safe and as easy on live as it is here.

[ghost wolves]

Here is a comment from Kunark era talking about using the Goblin Gazughi Ring to break charm.

So here you go, people were charming in Kunark.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, we all agree charming existed in classic: no one is saying otherwise. But look, you and I were on the same server: do you remember Dome, a Druid in your guild (he also had an Enchanter named Domey)? Do you happen to know if Dome charm soloed his way to 60? I can tell you, he didn't.

Dome's most elite XPing strategy was to quad Barbarians/Dwarves (not knowing this, when I later inherited his account, I would get Dome killed several times by visiting Butcherblock/Everfrost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]). It wasn't because he didn't know how to play his character, and it certainly wasn't his Internet connection, because like many in Club Fu he played from a gaming center with a T1.

So, he had a good connection, he was in the most powerful and knowledgeable guild on the server, and yet he completely eschewed animal charming (which every Druid here will happily tell you is an amazing way to get XP) ... why?

I submit that it's not because charming didn't exist: as you noted Fu absolutely charmed. I'd also submit that it's not because he was a dummy or had a bad connection. The most logical explanation I can see is that, it was because charming wasn't as safe and as easy on live as it is here.

Your line of reasoning is that because someone knows how to charm with an in chanter that means that if they level of drew it they’re definitely going to go to the bottom of a dragon dungeon and charm to giant polar bears.

That is such a false equivalency.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your line of reasoning is that because someone knows how to charm with an in chanter that means that if they level of drew it they’re definitely going to go to the bottom of a dragon dungeon and charm to giant polar bears.

That is such a false equivalency.

You don't need to do the pits to animal charm. There's all the Karans, Everfrost, hordes of Alligators in Cazic Thule, etc.

[d3r14k]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't need to do the pits to animal charm. There's all the Karans, Everfrost, hordes of Alligators in Cazic Thule, etc.

I am ashamed to admit I played a druid in 1999 / 2000 as a young kiddo and did not know druids could charm until I played on P99 nearly 15 years later. Having said that, charming on a druid is arguably more fun than charming on an enchanter because you got all the safety nets like ensnare and being able to heal yourself.

It's a shame there aren't more spots for druids to do this, you really gotta be in a niche spot to find a decent animal pet. Kedge fish, Sol B bats are a couple more good spots I suppose.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by d3r14k [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am ashamed to admit I played a druid in 1999 / 2000 as a young kiddo and did not know druids could charm until I played on P99 nearly 15 years later.

See Loramin.

We don’t have YouTube and the wiki in 1999.

I’ve said it like 1 million times the only reason anyone who’s commenting here even knows how to charm is because they watched a YouTube video teaching them how to and if it wasn’t for YouTube or the wiki everyone on this thread would still be wondering how tecmos does it.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't need to do the pits to animal charm. There's all the Karans, Everfrost, hordes of Alligators in Cazic Thule, etc.

Why would I do that when I can just quad them?

I mean I’ve level 4 Chantres and 2 druids to 60 and the druid and I’ve never charmed with a Druid.

The bear pits offer a unique experience bonus that make them far superior to all of the things that you listed and all the things you listed I might as well just quad instead of charming trying to find other creatures and wasting all that time.