Big Grats to Vanquish!

myrddraal · #1 05-06-2021, 12:22 PM

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I haven't been playing p99 much at all. By happenstance, I was at this raid AND in discord. Furthermore, I was at this raid on my 49 warrior that was non KoS because I couldn't get one of my 60s there in time, so I was in a unique position to actually watch the train from the sidelines.

In discord, there was confusion as to why the train wasn't behaving like they thought it should. After Tunare was already dead. Everything I could hear from Discord was that the raid leaders were trying to pull the encounter off within the rules.

And when they reviewed the fraps, they realized it was fucked up, and so they manned up and conceded two.

The fuck are you guys complaining about? There's a good chance nobody would have known the difference if they didn't concede. Are you implying that Vanquish would rather shave a few hours off the encounter rather than be able to compete for the next two? Of course not, that's retarded.

God forbid a guild try to theorycraft and execute strategies for raid encounters.

Ones they've been told specifically not to do by breaking the call? Since some of you are probably repeat offenders, I'd speculate possible flat out permaban too.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=295649

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=356707

Twochain · #2 05-06-2021, 12:39 PM

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Ones they've been told specifically not to do by breaking the call? Since some of you are probably repeat offenders, I'd speculate possible flat out permaban too.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=295649

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=356707

Okay

You quote a post from Rogean from 2018. When Aftermath theorycrafted a strategy to kill Tunare without killing the trash. Tunare was not calling the kite. So after we killed Tunare with this strategy, we specifically sent the fraps to Rogean+Gm's to clarify if it's allowed. Rogean said no, and also followed up with that we would not be suspended because we tried this strategy once and immediately brought it to the GM's attention for oversight.

(News flash, the strategy we used for that encounter IS NOT the strategy that AG/Freedom/Vanquish has used since, as the call WORKS when we drop the train, it's a DPS race)

And then you link a blanket suspension, which saw players suspended from pretty much every guild who raided... for SLEEPERS TOMB MOBS
(Why the fuck did you link that, legit has nothing to do with this)

myrddraal · #3 05-06-2021, 12:43 PM

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Okay

You quote a post from Rogean from 2018. When Aftermath theorycrafted a strategy to kill Tunare without killing the trash. Tunare was not calling the kite. So after we killed Tunare with this strategy, we specifically sent the fraps to Rogean+Gm's to clarify if it's allowed. Rogean said no, and also followed up with that we would not be suspended because we tried this strategy once and immediately brought it to the GM's attention for oversight.

(News flash, the strategy we used for that encounter IS NOT the strategy that AG/Freedom/Vanquish has used since, as the call WORKS when we drop the train, it's a DPS race)

And then you link a blanket suspension, which saw players suspended from pretty much every guild who raided... for SLEEPERS TOMB MOBS
(Why the fuck did you link that, legit has nothing to do with this)

Except it does have relevance and many people in Vanquish would be repeat offenders of ST Gate and (in my opinion) warrant a harsher punishment. The precedent is set for people breaking mechanics like this. Clearly the call doesn't work when you do your strategy and you know you're busted, so you are trying to do whatever you can to weasel out of a punishment far more severe you know is coming because news flash, it was recorded by people other than you.

Twochain · #4 05-06-2021, 01:32 PM

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Except it does have relevance and many people in Vanquish would be repeat offenders of ST Gate and (in my opinion) warrant a harsher punishment. The precedent is set for people breaking mechanics like this. Clearly the call doesn't work when you do your strategy and you know you're busted, so you are trying to do whatever you can to weasel out of a punishment far more severe you know is coming because news flash, it was recorded by people other than you.

Holy fucking shit no wonder I haven't been playing this game.

I wrote a lot more than this but I deleted it. There's no point trying to rationalize about this to a brick wall. I love the game. I love p99. I'm not some blind follower who thinks that everyone else does shit wrong and that the guild I am in doesn't. I know how raids work in this game. I've raided in every single tier of guild p99 has to offer. If Vanquish didn't exist, i'd gladly make new friends in kittens who say meow. Or Riot. I'm not fucking against you guys. Some of those people who were suspended for the ST Gate shit that you repeatedly bring up for no reason at all other than to try to support your Vanquish is a bunch of cheaters trope......... were some of the nicest and well respected players to play p99. And... on top of that..... it was players from basically every guild who went into ST. Hence why no single guild was suspended for the incident.. only players.

myrddraal · #5 05-06-2021, 01:42 PM

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Holy fucking shit no wonder I haven't been playing this game.

I wrote a lot more than this but I deleted it. There's no point trying to rationalize about this to a brick wall. I love the game. I love p99. I'm not some blind follower who thinks that everyone else does shit wrong and that the guild I am in doesn't. I know how raids work in this game. I've raided in every single tier of guild p99 has to offer. If Vanquish didn't exist, i'd gladly make new friends in kittens who say meow. Or Riot. I'm not fucking against you guys. Some of those people who were suspended for the ST Gate shit that you repeatedly bring up for no reason at all other than to try to support your Vanquish is a bunch of cheaters trope......... were some of the nicest and well respected players to play p99. And... on top of that..... it was players from basically every guild who went into ST. Hence why no single guild was suspended for the incident.. only players.

There's a few people I like in Vanquish. A whole lot I dont though. Riot also isnt perfect but every time we've done wrong (that I've been around for) we immediately threw out our concession. Are ALL of Vanquish cheaters? No. Are SOME? Most definitely. You want to know why I dont believe that you guys havent intentionally been breaking POG call? You dont drop it. You killed it in the most recent video posted in UN, the one where we watched it the week before, and made no announcement of loot being deleted on the one you did "realize you broke." When Nampus dispelled your Zlandi, we removed them. When Acholyte was messing with your chains, we disciplined him and I think removed them. (cant say for certain but they havent been around for a WHILE) While Vanquish will bend over backward to defend people like Furoar boxing and training us among the other concerns like autofiring that detox has also shared in the past because he gets you most of your FTEs.

Twochain · #6 05-06-2021, 02:05 PM

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There's a few people I like in Vanquish. A whole lot I dont though. Riot also isnt perfect but every time we've done wrong (that I've been around for) we immediately threw out our concession. Are ALL of Vanquish cheaters? No. Are SOME? Most definitely. You want to know why I dont believe that you guys havent intentionally been breaking POG call? You dont drop it. You killed it in the most recent video posted in UN, the one where we watched it the week before, and made no announcement of loot being deleted on the one you did "realize you broke." When Nampus dispelled your Zlandi, we removed them. When Acholyte was messing with your chains, we disciplined him and I think removed them. (cant say for certain but they havent been around for a WHILE) While Vanquish will bend over backward to defend people like Furoar boxing and training us among the other concerns like autofiring that detox has also shared in the past because he gets you most of your FTEs.

You mean like when Vanquish realized they did something wrong with Tunare and threw out their concessions? I'm telling you, as a fact, they thought it was working correctly. Once realized that it wasn't, there was confusion as to why it didn't work correctly. Then they immediately started to discuss WHY it didn't work correctly and what to do next time.

Furoar trained you guys because he was furious that nobody would answer his tells about conceding the mob. Because he had pretty solid proof that Riot trained Freedom's previous attempt and nobody would answer him about it. It wasn't training with a purpose other than a fuck you too. If I remember correctly the mob was already fucking dead.

That detoxx "autofiring" fucking video is the biggest joke i've ever seen. It's a video of him spamming a button. It's not that hard to spam a button. When your getting Coth'd, you spam your fucking clicky button. Mine is G. That ability is not ready yet text on my screen would be spammed a lot harder than that. ALSO Detoxx doesn't even fucking go for ring war. Did you dissect that video? Probably not. You probably heard someone say oh yeah and detoxx got busted for autofiring before too. And now your vomiting it back up on the forums.

There's no reason we can't get along. We all love Everquest. I know Vanquish leaders understand that sometimes in the heat of the battle, it's really fucking hard to tell who's fault is what. No raid leader since I've attended the first raid on this server has made a raid call that knowingly broke the rules.

My girlfriend plays with me all the time. People have my account info. There has been a thousand times that you could take a screenshot of two of my characters in the same spot.

myrddraal · #7 05-06-2021, 02:20 PM

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You mean like when Vanquish realized they did something wrong with Tunare and threw out their concessions? I'm telling you, as a fact, they thought it was working correctly. Once realized that it wasn't, there was confusion as to why it didn't work correctly. Then they immediately started to discuss WHY it didn't work correctly and what to do next time.

Furoar trained you guys because he was furious that nobody would answer his tells about conceding the mob. Because he had pretty solid proof that Riot trained Freedom's previous attempt and nobody would answer him about it. It wasn't training with a purpose other than a fuck you too. If I remember correctly the mob was already fucking dead.

That detoxx "autofiring" fucking video is the biggest joke i've ever seen. It's a video of him spamming a button. It's not that hard to spam a button. When your getting Coth'd, you spam your fucking clicky button. Mine is G. That ability is not ready yet text on my screen would be spammed a lot harder than that. ALSO Detoxx doesn't even fucking go for ring war. Did you dissect that video? Probably not. You probably heard someone say oh yeah and detoxx got busted for autofiring before too. And now your vomiting it back up on the forums.

There's no reason we can't get along. We all love Everquest. I know Vanquish leaders understand that sometimes in the heat of the battle, it's really fucking hard to tell who's fault is what. No raid leader since I've attended the first raid on this server has made a raid call that knowingly broke the rules.

My girlfriend plays with me all the time. People have my account info. There has been a thousand times that you could take a screenshot of two of my characters in the same spot.

I wasnt referring to the detox autofire video, I meant the concerns he has had in the past very vehemently that Furoar cheats and constantly conspires to find new ways to do so. The gms also found it was "just" furoar who did the whole Loststalker train while on another char of his at the same time (who then had higher raid attendance during his suspension mysteriously.) Fom Lodizal afk FTEs and deaths to the what was it, 1/3 second turn ins for RW? The autofiring may not be "proven" but highly likely.

I disagree that we have no reason to not get along. If you removed your bad apples like Kabull who goes way too far and tells people to kill themselves for bidding against him or that he hopes someones family and friends all die and like Furoar doing the things he has done, I would 100% agree we could get along.

Horza · #8 05-06-2021, 01:44 PM

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Holy fucking shit no wonder I haven't been playing this game.

I wrote a lot more than this but I deleted it. There's no point trying to rationalize about this to a brick wall. I love the game. I love p99. I'm not some blind follower who thinks that everyone else does shit wrong and that the guild I am in doesn't. I know how raids work in this game. I've raided in every single tier of guild p99 has to offer. If Vanquish didn't exist, i'd gladly make new friends in kittens who say meow. Or Riot. I'm not fucking against you guys. Some of those people who were suspended for the ST Gate shit that you repeatedly bring up for no reason at all other than to try to support your Vanquish is a bunch of cheaters trope......... were some of the nicest and well respected players to play p99. And... on top of that..... it was players from basically every guild who went into ST. Hence why no single guild was suspended for the incident.. only players.

To be fair the Vanquish is a bunch of cheaters trope keeps coming true.

xdrcfrx · #9 05-06-2021, 04:46 PM

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... And... on top of that..... it was players from basically every guild who went into ST. Hence why no single guild was suspended for the incident.. only players.

Actually, Riot, Kittens, AG, and Ghxst/RenamedGuild/Whatever they were calling themselves at the time were all hit with a 7 day raid suspension from all content for this, in addition to the personal suspensions individuals were given.

Twochain · #10 05-06-2021, 05:02 PM

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Actually, Riot, Kittens, AG, and Ghxst/RenamedGuild/Whatever they were calling themselves at the time were all hit with a 7 day raid suspension from all content for this, in addition to the personal suspensions individuals were given.

Couldn't remember, glad to be corrected, but it doesn't really change my point. It wasn't an US issue it was every raid guild who visited ST.

On top of that, changing models to see if a golem has a weapon or not isn't that serious. We're not talking duping, froovygate level shit.