Seal Team removes ourselves from all player agreements

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think asking people to be careful for 5 minutes while the racers race is an outrageous proposal.

I do. I consider that an example of the very mindset I have a problem with. "Get out of our way, we have pixels to acquire!" Those silly raids aren't more important than anything else. Why are the people who're just trying to play the game supposed to be "careful" while the pixel-sick raiders run willy nilly all over everything? To heck with that. To that end, Call of the Hero down to lair works better since it keeps the pixel-mongers out of everyone else's hair. Let them fight amongst each other all they like as long as they leave the rest of the game alone. Any alternative rule set should strive to do the same for everyone's benefit rather than for the benefit only of the raid crowd.

Danth

[Nexii]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do. I consider that an example of the very mindset I have a problem with. "Get out of our way, we have pixels to acquire!" Those silly raids aren't more important than anything else. Why are the people who're just trying to play the game supposed to be "careful" while the pixel-sick raiders run willy nilly all over everything? To heck with that. To that end, Call of the Hero down to lair works better since it keeps the pixel-mongers out of everyone else's hair. Let them fight amongst each other all they like as long as they leave the rest of the game alone. Any alternative rule set should strive to do the same for everyone's benefit rather than for the benefit only of the raid crowd.

Danth

I mean exactly that has been going on in KC and Velk's.

[Twochain]

Originally Posted by Nexii [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean exactly that has been going on in KC and Velk's.

KC is undoubtedly more disruptive. The only people who are in real danger from a Seb race is one camp. And you can very very easily just sit in a corner at King out and not get trained. Especially with /shouts 5 minutes, 4 minutes, 3 minutes. No excuses there.

This discussion is kind of mad. asking 3-6 players to be careful for 15 total minutes a week isn't "The raid scene assuming everything is theirs" my lord. Everyone at NG would easily be safe. C/E Disco and ABC would have no clue the race was even on. If there was a group clearing down, they would have all the time in the world to get to safety briefly.

IN fact, you could take this a step further, and require the guilds to kill all the frogs on the top floor. At that point, we're talking about training 3 frogs past a safe king camp and them waiting for it to path back. Fuck it, you could require them to kill all the frogs on the top lair and the 3 frogs in jail. It would take 2 minutes. (If there is even anybody at King, which I assume is currently perma camped on Green)

Too much thinking inside of the box going on

[Disease]

Each guild rolls. Two highest rolls, an offcier from both guilds duel to the death. Winner takes the mobs. This isnt need for speed, why are we racing to a target?

[Imago]

Originally Posted by Disease [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Each guild rolls. Two highest rolls, an offcier from both guilds duel to the death. Winner takes the mobs. This isnt need for speed, why are we racing to a target?

Guild gladiator events is the best idea I've heard yet.

Think of the hype potential. Definitely a better meta than Need for Speed 99.

[Twochain]

Originally Posted by Disease [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Each guild rolls. Two highest rolls, an offcier from both guilds duel to the death. Winner takes the mobs. This isnt need for speed, why are we racing to a target?

I don't hate the idea, and appreciate a new take other than "rotate the mobs because durr mario kart". But this would undoubtedly also fall into Seal Team's favor.

We're not talking about a racing game. We're talking about ways to settle mobs without it being a freebie or a 16 hour poopsock. Again, everything that happens post race would play out exactly as a classic EQ raid would.

Racing has an element of chance to it. It's also very, very fun. I don't ever see raiders who played in the FTE lockout era complain that it wasn't fun back then.

Actually, in fact, the only complaints i've ever heard about it, was that Sirken made the race/lockout rules in order to give casual guilds a chance... and they rarely attended them, so he did away with it.

Rushing from the start of seb all the way down to trak's lair for FTE requires team coordination at best(GROUP DA, Eating trains, etc), and a certain amount of dumb luck at worst. I wouldn't necessarily want to be in pole position running through the mushroom caves unless I was DA'd.

[Disease]

Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't hate the idea, and appreciate a new take other than "rotate the mobs because durr mario kart". But this would undoubtedly also fall into Seal Team's favor.

We're not talking about a racing game. We're talking about ways to settle mobs without it being a freebie or a 16 hour poopsock. Again, everything that happens post race would play out exactly as a classic EQ raid would.

Racing has an element of chance to it. It's also very, very fun. I don't ever see raiders who played in the FTE lockout era complain that it wasn't fun back then.

Actually, in fact, the only complaints i've ever heard about it, was that Sirken made the race/lockout rules in order to give casual guilds a chance... and they rarely attended them, so he did away with it.

Rushing from the start of seb all the way down to trak's lair for FTE requires team coordination at best(GROUP DA, Eating trains, etc), and a certain amount of dumb luck at worst. I wouldn't necessarily want to be in pole position running through the mushroom caves unless I was DA'd.

Racing in a zone where people are exping in is a train wreck. What do you tell people? Get trained or log out while we train mobs through the zone? At that point, just roll for the mob.