KWSM moving the bar

xdrcfrx · #1 02-04-2021, 03:05 PM

Shocking. Former <Aftermath> player sides with other former <Aftermath> players. Who could imagine?

It's not about checking specific boxes, like "oh we killed a Vindi on such and such date," and contesting Vulak is never going to be the bar for guilds to participate in the draft.

Seal Team, a group with 0 active presence on blue, wants to take part in events that are designed for the blue community. Maybe if instead of trolling that community, they tried just coming and being a part of it, they'd get less pushback.

Nirgon · #2 02-04-2021, 03:17 PM

I didn't see any ntov dragons or klandi/zlandi in your free rotation either.

Perhaps the possibility exists but we've been unable to discover the faster than light speed goal posts on the move.

I truly believe we're gonna get you there on understanding this situation. In the mean time, come for the open raid targets on green and see how simple it is. People show up, kill the mob and roll on the drops. There's no red tape like "has this person ever killed a raid mob in everquest before".

I mean, just think of the precedent being set. Are you going to tell TLP guilds that want to come over and play that they're "a TLP guild" that has killed the statue and fear golems before? Or call anyone a troll who makes good on meeting criteria and then throw them out of the UN?

Want you to seriously consider,
D.N., DDS

Twochain · #3 02-04-2021, 04:39 PM

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Shocking. Former <Aftermath> player sides with other former <Aftermath> players. Who could imagine?

It's not about checking specific boxes, like "oh we killed a Vindi on such and such date," and contesting Vulak is never going to be the bar for guilds to participate in the draft.

Seal Team, a group with 0 active presence on blue, wants to take part in events that are designed for the blue community. Maybe if instead of trolling that community, they tried just coming and being a part of it, they'd get less pushback.

Look if you want to talk about the blue community.... you're talking about players who spent over a decade on it. Just because they haven't been around for the last 18 months because they were enjoying our communities new fresh classic server, doesn't mean that they are not part of our community. Many of those players in <Seal Team> helped theorycraft raid strategies we use to this day on Blue.

Phatez said some trolly shit, but i'm sure that's because how dismissive everyone was about it right off the bat.

Now, i'm not saying 1 vindi = serpentine draft entry, i'd like to see them attempt to compete/kill a mob once or twice a week. But outright dismissal due to their focus on the green server is wrong in my elf law opinion.

xdrcfrx · #4 02-04-2021, 04:50 PM

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Just because they haven't been around for the last 18 months because they were enjoying our communities new fresh classic server, doesn't mean that they are not part of our community.

That's exactly what it means! They willingly left to go play on another server, which is totally fine. But "haven't been around in the last 18 months" doesn't exactly add up to "am an active member of the community." 18 months is kind of a long time. (query: if you were in AM, and didn't attend a raid for 18 months, were you still in AM, or did you get removed for inactivity? Were you still allowed to spend DKP, or did you need to maintain a R.A. over a certain percentage?)

I otherwise agree with the rest of your comment, mostly. If they are around and have a legitimate sustained presence on blue, then cool please join us in the community events, for the community of which you are a part! Showing up just to spite everyone else doesn't inspire a ton of good will, however.

Twochain · #5 02-04-2021, 05:07 PM

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That's exactly what it means! They willingly left to go play on another server, which is totally fine. But "haven't been around in the last 18 months" doesn't exactly add up to "am an active member of the community." 18 months is kind of a long time. (query: if you were in AM, and didn't attend a raid for 18 months, were you still in AM, or did you get removed for inactivity? Were you still allowed to spend DKP, or did you need to maintain a R.A. over a certain percentage?)

I otherwise agree with the rest of your comment, mostly. If they are around and have a legitimate sustained presence on blue, then cool please join us in the community events, for the community of which you are a part! Showing up just to spite everyone else doesn't inspire a ton of good will, however.

It shouldn't matter how long/why they haven't been active on Blue. You're talking about raid leaders who have been here since the <TMO> days and beyond. On top of that, 99% of their raiders would immediately be invited into ANY top raid guild on blue if they wished to do so individually. Which leads back in to "removing for inactivity"..

If Franswa, who is kind of the grandfather of Riot, wanted to come back and do a <Core> style guild where 30-40 of his peoples competed for some mobs, i'd argue the same for his guild entering the draft.

xdrcfrx · #6 02-04-2021, 05:16 PM

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It shouldn't matter how long/why they haven't been active on Blue. You're talking about raid leaders who have been here since the <TMO> days and beyond. On top of that, 99% of their raiders would immediately be invited into ANY top raid guild on blue if they wished to do so individually. Which leads back in to "removing for inactivity"..

If Franswa, who is kind of the grandfather of Riot, wanted to come back and do a <Core> style guild where 30-40 of his peoples competed for some mobs, i'd argue the same for his guild entering the draft.

If people that haven't been around in years want to come back, by all means. If they all come back and are invited to blue guilds, cool! If they want to start a new blue guild, also great! But it's ridiculous to assert, after being absent for a year or more, that you are an active member of the community and should be able to benefit from events established for that community. Can they re-join the blue community if they want to? Of course. Have they done that, yet? No, they have not. Galach's comment from the 1st draft was that GM's don't want alt-guilds and guilds that exist just for the draft. That's exactly what Seal Team is right now. Doesn't mean that's what they'll be in the future, but it is the present reality.

If they really want to have a sustained presence on blue, that'll bear itself out over time.

Arvan · #7 02-04-2021, 05:13 PM

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Look if you want to talk about the blue community.... you're talking about players who spent over a decade on it. Just because they haven't been around for the last 18 months because they were enjoying our communities new fresh classic server, doesn't mean that they are not part of our community. Many of those players in <Seal Team> helped theorycraft raid strategies we use to this day on Blue.

Phatez said some trolly shit, but i'm sure that's because how dismissive everyone was about it right off the bat.

Now, i'm not saying 1 vindi = serpentine draft entry, i'd like to see them attempt to compete/kill a mob once or twice a week. But outright dismissal due to their focus on the green server is wrong in my elf law opinion.

0 seal team online all day yesterday and today, I'll keep you in the loop!