2020 Election MEGAthread

[White_knight]

Originally Posted by trollmanndoom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Surely the real difference is that conservatives try to segregate and discriminate against people based on the colour of their skin, religious beliefs or sexual preferences whereas leftists try to discriminate against people based on their actions.

Or maybe the other difference that those on the right tend to shoot people or run them over instead of 'deplatforming' them?

Lefties try to cancel your whole life for having an opinion that doesn't align with theirs.
If you're talking about discrimination then I don't know how more hardcore example you need of extremism then cancelling someone from their job, their life, and running them thru the mud simply because of a clash of opinions.

Lol, like seriously the demented state lefties live in can be seen in just this person's comment alone.

[azeth]

Imagine seriously typing "lefties" on the internet

[Zuranthium]

LOL at you tards complaining about votes taking time to count, or acting like the voting system in America has been foolproof and/or instant in the past, or that standing in line for hours on a single day is the ideal way to make everyone participate. You are outdated, and hypocritical, because I'm sure you wouldn't try to apply this methodology to something like paying bills. Should we force everyone to appear in person on a single day to make their house/car payments? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the mail ballots had been heavily comprised of Trump votes, your tune would be completely opposite. You're just mad that you're losing, and that Democrats were smarter about their usage of time by voting in this way. Arizona has used vote-by-mail for decades now, with the vast majority of their voters using that method last election. Where's your outrage for that formerly Conservative state using this method in previous elections? The actual reason why the later votes are so skewed in Michigan/Penn/Georgia is because big CITIES are crowed places and heavily Liberal, so those are the votes that naturally will be counted last; there's a bottleneck of votes to count within the given areas. The conspiracy theories are dumb; this is always how it's been, the vote count is simply more protracted now.

Originally Posted by White_knight [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lefties try to cancel your whole life for having an opinion that doesn't align with theirs.
If you're talking about discrimination then I don't know how more hardcore example you need of extremism then cancelling someone from their job, their life, and running them thru the mud simply because of a clash of opinions.

Lol, like seriously the demented state lefties live in can be seen in just this person's comment alone.

Originally Posted by douglas1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah people always bring up this "nuh uh, YOU'RE the real X" horseshit. The difference is that conservatives don't try to get leftists banned, fired or deplatformed generally speaking, whereas leftists do it all the time. That's where the epithet comes from.

Nope. Conservatives absolutely do that and worse. Their entire history and mentality is based upon persecuting outsiders. Whether it's because someone is gay, different skin color, "socialist", different religion, pro abortion, or anti-guns, this party seeks to kill/ban/bully/harass/dehumanize anything that feels too outside of their bubble. The Dixie Chicks couldn't even briefly criticize one of the worst presidents ever without getting death threats and widespread calls from conservatives to take their music off the air and out of circulation.

Liberals are active at fighting against behavior they consider destructive or unjust, there's a big difference. They are not more inherently prone to "cancelling" people, there's simply a higher amount of notable liberals on social media, in large part because liberal people are more cultured, so when you combine that with their increased understanding and care about social equity, it's logical they are going to be the more dominant force on social media.

Originally Posted by Morton Jr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

looking at the map of nevada makes me sick, the whole thing is red except for reno and vegas, and all the losers that work in the casinos and resturants are dirt poor losers who vote blue. Fuckin losers

LMAO.

People there are making more money than the majority of those in the Red areas. And the reason why there are such large swathes of Red on the map is because far less people live there, and Rural areas are generally populated by less educated people. Curious how more educated, more worldly people tend to have a liberal mindset. Once people actually start learning more about the world and grapple with the extent and causes of suffering and injustice, they realize there's more to life than their immediate surroundings and selfish impulses.

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Biden (a lackluster candidate) is going to pull 306 in the electoral college, and over 6 million more votes across the country as a whole than Trump. Let that sink in. Your candidate is garbage, and it's embarrassing that 2016 happened and that you continued to be swayed by his idiotic bullshit. Time to get on the correct side of history and grow out of your tunnel visioned perspective.

[douglas1999]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nope. Conservatives absolutely do that and worse. Their entire history and mentality is based upon persecuting outsiders. Whether it's because someone is gay, different skin color, "socialist", different religion, pro abortion, or anti-guns, this party seeks to kill/ban/bully/harass/dehumanize anything that feels too outside of their bubble. The Dixie Chicks couldn't even briefly criticize one of the worst presidents ever without getting death threats and widespread calls from conservatives to take their music off the air and out of circulation.

Liberals are active at fighting against behavior they consider destructive or unjust, there's a big difference. They are not more inherently prone to "cancelling" people, there's simply a higher amount of notable liberals on social media, in large part because liberal people are more cultured, so when you combine that with their increased understanding and care about social equity, it's logical they are going to be the more dominant force on social media.

You're just conflating every historical example of bad behavior on the part of conservatives as if it's still widely representative today, and also framing everything bad the left does as actually good, or justified because of happy vague sounding terms like "social equity". It's the age old equality of opportunity VS equality of outcome argument.

This is a big part of my problem with what the left has become in the last 15 years, this self congratulatory assumption that they are the "good guys", and they have some kind of monopoly on what constitutes "justice". Taking money from rich people who haven't done anything wrong to aquire it, for example, is not "just" in many people's minds. Many on the modern left confuse hating the rich for caring about the poor.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by douglas1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're just conflating every historical example of bad behavior on the part of conservatives as if it's still widely representative today

It is still widely representative today, open your eyes. Who are the people saying Mexicans or whatever other non-white ethnicity are ruining America? Who are the people doing mass shootings targeted at these groups? Who are the ones saying cops and society has a whole has no prejudice and these minorities are simply whining (there's so much of that trash in this thread alone)? Who are the people that still say "gays are going to hell"? Who are the ones that can't fucking understand the difference between communism and socialism? Who are the ones that don't understand their own ingrained misogyny and cave-man like ideas of "how men should act"?

Originally Posted by douglas1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a big part of my problem with what the left has become in the last 15 years, this self congratulatory assumption that they are the "good guys", and they have some kind of monopoly on what constitutes "justice". Taking money from rich people who haven't done anything wrong to aquire it, for example, is not "just" in many people's minds. Many on the modern left confuse hating the rich for caring about the poor.

Rich people have done something "wrong" to get that wealth. Money is a social fabrication and the only way for someone to be that wealthy (aside from a couple very rare scenarios) is for a massive amount of other people to contribute to creating the product they are selling. In pretty much all cases, the amount paid towards labor and materials is lower than it really should be, and the amount of work being done by the person at the top is extremely disproportionate compared to what they are earning. Furthermore, once you have a large amount of money/success, you're able to use it to manipulate the system itself: being able pay for lobbying/publicity to warp public awareness in your favor, forcing other competition out, getting things for free.

And that's really just the most honest outcome of extreme wealth acquisition. More often than not, these entities are outright exploiting people in order to create their wealth. Whether it's lying about the effectiveness of their product, or lying about the competition, or hiding harmful side effects, or using planned/perceived obsolescence to force people to buy more, or cheating on contracts, or 3rd world labor/supply, or fucking Monsanto-like practices of forcing your shit on someone else's space and then saying you have a right to own them.

That doesn't even get into the environmental destruction created by the chase for money, and how humanity itself is catering to the lowest common denominator by blindly following unchecked capitalism. If a company can push out a ton of a shitty product and force everyone to buy it because there is no better available alternative, they will make a bunch of money for doing do so, but they are not actually contributing something good (or something better) to the world. They are simply using this fabricated thing called money to dominate a market and undeservedly empower themselves to stay at the top.

Then there's also the problem of generational wealth. Hundreds of years ago, for example, certain individuals were simply given huge amounts of land in our country. Their descendants have been born into massive wealth without having to do anything. Why do such people deserve to live in extreme comfort and privilege, while millions of others suffer? They don't deserve to, is the answer, and it's something that needs to be balanced in society.

No individual "needs" to have 100 million dollars either. If someone is making that much money, why can't they be content with just taking in 10 million instead (the rest going to taxes that are used to unselfishly be put towards the betterment of humanity)? Someone at that amount of wealth is still going to have a crazy amount more than just about everyone else. There's no reason they need to be sitting on endless piles of money. Humans are inherently selfish beings and as a society it should be our goal to curb that selfishness, by directly instituting practices/laws that fight against it. The same as penalties for drunk driving or whatever else. Destructive practices need to be addressed and fixed, in whatever form they come in. Wealth is a toxic fabrication/obsession of humans. We desire endless expansion but such a thing is impossible, certainly on one little planet.

[Topgunben]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is still widely representative today, open your eyes. Who are the people saying Mexicans or whatever other non-white ethnicity are ruining America? Who are the people doing mass shootings targeted at these groups? Who are the ones saying cops and society has a whole has no prejudice and these minorities are simply whining (there's so much of that trash in this thread alone)? Who are the people that still say "gays are going to hell"? Who are the ones that can't fucking understand the difference between communism and socialism? Who are the ones that don't understand their own ingrained misogyny and cave-man like ideas of "how men should act"?



Rich people have done something "wrong" to get that wealth. Money is a social fabrication and the only way for someone to be that wealthy (aside from a couple very rare scenarios) is for a massive amount of other people to contribute to creating the product they are selling. In pretty much all cases, the amount paid towards labor and materials is lower than it really should be, and the amount of work being done by the person at the top is extremely disproportionate compared to what they are earning. Furthermore, once you have a large amount of money/success, you're able to use it to manipulate the system itself: being able pay for lobbying/publicity to warp public awareness in your favor, forcing other competition out, getting things for free.

And that's really just the most honest outcome of extreme wealth acquisition. More often than not, these entities are outright exploiting people in order to create their wealth. Whether it's lying about the effectiveness of their product, or lying about the competition, or hiding harmful side effects, or using planned/perceived obsolescence to force people to buy more, or cheating on contracts, or 3rd world labor/supply, or fucking Monsanto-like practices of forcing your shit on someone else's space and then saying you have a right to own them.

That doesn't even get into the environmental destruction created by the chase for money, and how humanity itself is catering to the lowest common denominator by blindly following unchecked capitalism. If a company can push out a ton of a shitty product and force everyone to buy it because there is no better available alternative, they will make a bunch of money for doing do so, but they are not actually contributing something good (or something better) to the world. They are simply using this fabricated thing called money to dominate a market and undeservedly empower themselves to stay at the top.

Then there's also the problem of generational wealth. Hundreds of years ago, for example, certain individuals were simply given huge amounts of land in our country. Their descendants have been born into massive wealth without having to do anything. Why do such people deserve to live in extreme comfort and privilege, while millions of others suffer? They don't deserve to, is the answer, and it's something that needs to be balanced in society.

No individual "needs" to have 100 million dollars either. If someone is making that much money, why can't they be content with just taking in 10 million instead (the rest going to taxes that are used to unselfishly be put towards the betterment of humanity)? Someone at that amount of wealth is still going to have a crazy amount more than just about everyone else. There's no reason they need to be sitting on endless piles of money. Humans are inherently selfish beings and as a society it should be our goal to curb that selfishness, by directly instituting practices/laws that fight against it. The same as penalties for drunk driving or whatever else. Destructive practices need to be addressed and fixed, in whatever form they come in. Wealth is a toxic fabrication/obsession of humans. We desire endless expansion but such a thing is impossible, certainly on one little planet.

Will you please give me a joint share of your EQ wealth? I don’t put much time into making my own pp and developing my characters, but it sure would be nice to have a fungi and cloak of flames.

[BlackBellamy]

Well with nothing on the political front and boredom setting in let's greet the new arrivals:

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOL at you tards LMAO.

Hi Zuranthium and welcome to the 2020 Election MEGAthread, where we all exist as one American family and refrain from personal attacks just like in real life. Just ask Jibartik he will vouch for me.

I was looking to see what kind of insight I could gather about your opening post and so forgive me, but I used the the search function which I know I know, it's not fair because we all type stuff, but in this case:

Leftist mentality dictates rationalism, education, and peace. There's a reason why people tend to become more liberal as they become more educated. Nobody of this mindset wants to put people into cattle cars for not agreeing.

See, now that got me thinking about semantics. What is a leftist? Because a hundred years ago, in 1920, my grandmother (age 8) watched with her mother as Bolsheviks shot her father in the street and then for the next three days they just kept shooting everyone in sight, well specifically men and specifically men who weren't laborers but that was a lot of people. My grandma then got thrown onto a wagon with some retreating soldiers and long story short here I am. But my grandmother didn't see her mom for fifty years after that because she was in the gulag the entire time. The rape gulag. I mean I'm not sure that it was called the rape gulag but she was a woman and she was there for 50 years. Were those people 'leftists'? I mean at that time, that's what they were called. They came waving red flags promising equality and rationalism. They would strike down the false gods and make everyone equal and everyone would get all the free education they wanted and peace would reign. They sang songs with those very specific promises.

Fast forward 55 years. My uncle makes a remark at work, something about the equality not being so equal. His door is broken down that night and the police take him away for questioning. Three days later he's thrown out of car in front of his house and then he's thrown out of work because who can work with all those broken bones.

In my lifetime I have personally known people whose entire lives were destroyed by people they referred to, among other terms, as 'leftists'. And when my uncle did not agree, well I guess at that point cattle cars were a little primitive. Was he beaten by the leftist mentality?

Haha I kid, he was beaten by the police. And the police were just a tool of an extreme regime. It could have been an extreme right-wing regime. The police breaking your bones extrajudicially are just a symptom of a system gone berserk.

My point is that being a leftist or a rightist doesn't dictate anything and doesn't automatically lead to any outcome. Because those guys who murdered millions of people and very specifically my great-grandfather didn't set out to do so. No, they were guided by dictates of 'rationalism, education, and peace'. Yet somehow they wound up as one of the worst regimes and ideologies ever to curse this planet. They didn't even bother with cattle cars, they let 20 million people starve in place. And they began as happy leftists. According to the Inexorable March of Lefist Progress according to Zuranthium should not those people have wound up in a better place? Even slightly? A tiny bit?

Next, on to your liberal progress hypothesis and why you're wrong.

Educated people tend to become more liberal because they become arrogant and think they can solve the world's problems through rapid social change. Educated people think they're special because most people aren't educated. Most people are stupid. Better put that knowledge to work fast!

Older people become more conservative because they've lived through the revolutions and the havoc and the chaos that the educated liberals wrought and would prefer a slower approach. Older people have seen how fragile society is and how peace just hangs by the thinnest thread. Perhaps you have seen some cities on fire this past summer? If you think that's as bad as it gets, that would be some frightful ignorance. Perhaps age will make you wiser.

I'm going to finish by attacking your stance on dissent.

I will put forward that Nazi Germany, which is the paragon of the most extreme right-wing state, the fascist ideal, was materially more tolerant of dissent than the USSR, the prototypical extreme left-wing state. I'm going even further - Nazi Germany was a more tolerant state than The People's Republic of China today (I'm only talking about political/ideological dissent and not those other things they did). I'm going to offer this analogy - in an extreme right-wing state there is lots of paranoia, so dissent is monitored, but nothing is done unless the dissenter takes some action. Talk is talk. In an extreme left-wing state there is also lots of paranoia, so dissent is also monitored, but action is taken as soon as talk is detected.

This is why. The appeal of the right wing is unity, strength, and safety, a sense of belonging to a tradition and a nation. The left-wing appeal is freedom and equality and progress. Each side appeals to each of those of course, but in much different proportions.

The right-wing appeals have a concrete payoff. There is a nation, you can touch it. There is a tradition, we all do it. The left-wing benchmarks are more amorphous. Can you taste freedom outside of a bad cliche? Do you feel the equality? How do you quantify progress? So the left-wing depends a lot on positive feedback. When Obama said yes we can, he wasn't offering a trite platitude. He was reassuring the left-wing that they were on the right track, that their ideas were good, and that things are going to work out.

This is why the left is fragile on dissent and can't tolerate it in it's more extreme forms. Because any criticism means a direct attack on the main thing they are protecting, which are ideas. You can't burn down an idea, and you can't sink it. You need words. But literally words are all you need. Words are the most dangerous thing to them.

The right-wing, they think the dissenter is just a loud-mouth punk. They see they mighty nation-state, they hear the jets overhead and they can touch their church. Talk isn't going to bother them that much. You're going to need explosives.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Three days later he's thrown out of car in front of his house and then he's thrown out of work because who can work with all those broken bones.

Communists, Fascists, and mobsters: Not much different, they all operate via rule-through-fear. What you describe above basically happened to my old man except it was the local racket he somehow ran afoul of after doing jobs for 'em for some 20-odd years. He disappeared for the better part of a month; eventually he was found in a rail yard in east Cleveland, robbed and beaten to a pulp. Hoodlums are bad enough, but when the State IS the hoodlum, things get real bad real quick.

Dad only ever talked to me about being in one shooting, where he and a brother of his shot another dude non-fatally just to make a point about leaving their sister alone. That was his advice to me when another dude was hanging around my then-girlfriend, "Do what you gotta do." At least the hoodlums usually had it coming when they got their end of it. Dad wouldn't ever say who busted him up--he was no rat--I can't recall him saying he didn't deserve it, either. Extremist governments-turned-thugs have a tendency, instead, to start killing off people whose main crime is that of merely existing.

Danth