The player-moderated Ancient Cyclops list is a disaster.

[adruidarkly]

Am I missing something or would an in-game list like FBE be effectively the same with being more effort, having less audit-ability, and being more prone to cronyism?

It seems to me that all this pissy ax-grinding is because the camp hit an intersection of stupid. OP is stupid for not understanding that if the people ahead of them on a list aren't present to take over the camp, then it falls to them at the next spawn. Doesn't matter if it skips 1 or 10,000. Usually this would be corrected by the camp holder.

But this apparently confused two people or whatever it was currently holding the camp made who were too stupid to GTFO once they got their item. Once the item you are camping for drops, you move on. Those are the rules, they've worked fine for hundreds of players until this assembly of dumbasses showed up. Now you're all mad and making work for CSR because you couldn't work it out yourself.

Congratulations on being stupider than hundreds of people, I guess?

[Crab]

Originally Posted by adruidarkly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Am I missing something or would an in-game list like FBE be effectively the same with being more effort, having less audit-ability, and being more prone to cronyism?

It seems to me that all this pissy ax-grinding is because the camp hit an intersection of stupid. OP is stupid for not understanding that if the people ahead of them on a list aren't present to take over the camp, then it falls to them at the next spawn. Doesn't matter if it skips 1 or 10,000. Usually this would be corrected by the camp holder.

But this apparently confused two people or whatever it was currently holding the camp made who were too stupid to GTFO once they got their item. Once the item you are camping for drops, you move on. Those are the rules, they've worked fine for hundreds of players until this assembly of dumbasses showed up. Now you're all mad and making work for CSR because you couldn't work it out yourself.

Congratulations on being stupider than hundreds of people, I guess?

Thank you. I honestly cannot believe people are bitching about this system.

[Local]

Originally Posted by adruidarkly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Am I missing something or would an in-game list like FBE be effectively the same with being more effort, having less audit-ability, and being more prone to cronyism?

It seems to me that all this pissy ax-grinding is because the camp hit an intersection of stupid. OP is stupid for not understanding that if the people ahead of them on a list aren't present to take over the camp, then it falls to them at the next spawn. Doesn't matter if it skips 1 or 10,000. Usually this would be corrected by the camp holder.

But this apparently confused two people or whatever it was currently holding the camp made who were too stupid to GTFO once they got their item. Once the item you are camping for drops, you move on. Those are the rules, they've worked fine for hundreds of players until this assembly of dumbasses showed up. Now you're all mad and making work for CSR because you couldn't work it out yourself.

Congratulations on being stupider than hundreds of people, I guess?

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[Cawin]

Originally Posted by adruidarkly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Am I missing something or would an in-game list like FBE be effectively the same with being more effort, having less audit-ability, and being more prone to cronyism?

It seems to me that all this pissy ax-grinding is because the camp hit an intersection of stupid. OP is stupid for not understanding that if the people ahead of them on a list aren't present to take over the camp, then it falls to them at the next spawn. Doesn't matter if it skips 1 or 10,000. Usually this would be corrected by the camp holder.

But this apparently confused two people or whatever it was currently holding the camp made who were too stupid to GTFO once they got their item. Once the item you are camping for drops, you move on. Those are the rules, they've worked fine for hundreds of players until this assembly of dumbasses showed up. Now you're all mad and making work for CSR because you couldn't work it out yourself.

Congratulations on being stupider than hundreds of people, I guess?

100% - Move to Resolved

Speaking of which, I had to spend hours last week working through a FBE dispute. Much more time then I've ever had to put into AC list management.

[beh]

Originally Posted by adruidarkly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OP is stupid for not understanding that if the people ahead of them on a list aren't present to take over the camp, then it falls to them at the next spawn.

Come on, man. I was trying to do the right thing by the (silly) rules that everyone had agreed upon. I guess you can call that "stupid" if you want, because in hindsight I definitely feel stupid, but if I had to "feel stupid" for trying NOT to shaft 150 people, that further proves my point that this particular version of listquest is broken and needs to go away.

[beh]

Originally Posted by adruidarkly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Am I missing something or would an in-game list like FBE be effectively the same with being more effort, having less audit-ability, and being more prone to cronyism?

It seems to me that all this pissy ax-grinding is because the camp hit an intersection of stupid. OP is stupid for not understanding that if the people ahead of them on a list aren't present to take over the camp, then it falls to them at the next spawn. Doesn't matter if it skips 1 or 10,000. Usually this would be corrected by the camp holder.

But this apparently confused two people or whatever it was currently holding the camp made who were too stupid to GTFO once they got their item. Once the item you are camping for drops, you move on. Those are the rules, they've worked fine for hundreds of players until this assembly of dumbasses showed up. Now you're all mad and making work for CSR because you couldn't work it out yourself.

Congratulations on being stupider than hundreds of people, I guess?

Every other camp in the game works without a google spreadsheet that you can access from outside the game for the purpose of camping it... but not really camping it. You know, playing EQ, but not really playing EQ.

That's where the problem lies. Other camp lists naturally peter themselves out toward the end of the night, with the occasional dedicated poopsocker who hangs out for over 24 hours until he falls asleep.

Scenarios: If I log on to play at a lower traffic time of day, I should be able to have a crack at - or a short list for - a normally contested camp... but I might not be able to find a group for XP, and my guildchat will be pretty quiet. Conversely, if I log on during a high-traffic time of day, I'll be able to get that xp group, or maybe do something with my guild... and thank goodness for that, because there's probably 10+ people waiting for that rare spawn camp. No problem!

The way it stands now, even if it's 6:00am, I can't log on and expect to beat the masses to the rare camp because I have to contend with people who can estimate when the best window of time to show up and usually sit their toons AFK at the camp (a bogus way to retain your place in line) because their name is approaching the top of some list that exists NOWHERE within the actual game itself. You've all turned camping the AC in OOT in to a fucking batphone scenario. Don't we have enough of that in p99?

[jerryR]

Honestly, I think you make excellent points. You don't really need the hyperbole and vitriol of your first pages of posts though...

I think you'd be surprised how difficult it would be for you to get on that camp if it was a complete free for all. You'd spend a lot more time trying to figure out the nuances of that than this .. and wasting way more needless time. The list gives at least a semblance of transparency and a chance for you to camp it - not just be locked into buying MQs in perpetuity

[Scalem]

Originally Posted by beh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every other camp in the game works without a google spreadsheet that you can access from outside the game for the purpose of camping it... but not really camping it. You know, playing EQ, but not really playing EQ.

That's where the problem lies. Other camp lists naturally peter themselves out toward the end of the night, with the occasional dedicated poopsocker who hangs out for over 24 hours until he falls asleep.

Scenarios: If I log on to play at a lower traffic time of day, I should be able to have a crack at - or a short list for - a normally contested camp... but I might not be able to find a group for XP, and my guildchat will be pretty quiet. Conversely, if I log on during a high-traffic time of day, I'll be able to get that xp group, or maybe do something with my guild... and thank goodness for that, because there's probably 10+ people waiting for that rare spawn camp. No problem!

The way it stands now, even if it's 6:00am, I can't log on and expect to beat the masses to the rare camp because I have to contend with people who can estimate when the best window of time to show up and usually sit their toons AFK at the camp (a bogus way to retain your place in line) because their name is approaching the top of some list that exists NOWHERE within the actual game itself. You've all turned camping the AC in OOT in to a fucking batphone scenario. Don't we have enough of that in p99?

Sounds like you would fit in better on a TLP.