CORONAVIRUS Death Thread

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not an anti/pro "vaccer" or anything, but the situation is probably a bit more complicated than you might think. If human individuals are not vaccinated, what might happen is the virus infects someone but this virus mutates in this non-immunized host -- significantly enough that it is no longer be affected by the previous immunization.

Though somewhat different but along the same lines is the general reduction in doctors prescribing antibiotics, despite the fact they often work well and could serious improve a variety of situations patients might find themselves in, they can create resistant strains of bacteria, potentially rendering that very antibiotic useless.

This is fallacious thinking. First of all, there are already mutations extant so they will constantly be chasing their tail to create new vaccinations that target new mutations, and the research time is too lengthy to keep up with the mutations.

Second of all, the vaccines being researched are not your standard dead-bacteria vaccines designed to stimulate counter-antibody production, they are mRNA vaccinations that essentially alter your genome.

Third of all, Unless the populace was simultaneously vaccinated with a synchronized clock, gradual vaccination can not provide the safeguards against mutations detailed in your premise.


So, again, if vaccination is designed to immunize ones self against a known strain of the virus, and that is successful, then why is everyone else required to innoculate in order for your vaccination to be effective, and how do you propose the mechanics of a synchronized global innoculation program?

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is fallacious thinking. First of all, there are already mutations extant so they will constantly be chasing their tail to create new vaccinations that target new mutations, and the research time is too lengthy to keep up with the mutations.

Sure there are mutations already. The point is, have they mutated enough that the previous immunization is rendered obsolete?

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Second of all, the vaccines being researched are not your standard dead-bacteria vaccines designed to stimulate counter-antibody production, they are mRNA vaccinations that essentially alter your genome.

Modality of immunization doesn't really matter for what is being talked about here, though mrna might make it easier/quicker to address a new strain, it doesn't prevent a new strain from appearing.

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Third of all, Unless the populace was simultaneously vaccinated with a synchronized clock, gradual vaccination can not provide the safeguards against mutations detailed in your premise.

Not safe, safer.

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, again, if vaccination is designed to immunize ones self against a known strain of the virus, and that is successful, then why is everyone else required to innoculate in order for your vaccination to be effective, and how do you propose the mechanics of a synchronized global innoculation program?

The more people essentially incubating the virus/bacteria, the more likely that you eventually end up with a problematic mutant. It's really not that complicated.

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure there are mutations already. The point is, have they mutated enough that the previous immunization is rendered obsolete?



Modality of immunization doesn't really matter for what is being talked about here, though mrna might make it easier/quicker to address a new strain, it doesn't prevent a new strain from appearing.



Not safe, safer.



The more people essentially incubating the virus/bacteria, the more likely that you eventually end up with a problematic mutant. It's really not that complicated.

My body, my choice...or is that only solid rationale when it comes to murdering babies?

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My body, my choice...or is that only solid rationale when it comes to murdering babies?

You're not a human being unless you have a social security number. I mean yeah, it's a mild simplification of the current US foreign policy but can we agree to it internally please? This way we don't have to swim through pools of decaying baby tissue on the way to a real argument? We've been smashing their little heads on the rocks for eons now and it's never going to stop. Let's move on.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My body, my choice...or is that only solid rationale when it comes to murdering babies?

I wasn't aware someone was compelling you to get a vaccination. Who exactly would that be?

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wasn't aware someone was compelling you to get a vaccination. Who exactly would that be?

No one is compelling a Covid-19 vaccine at this time. This is true.

However, the Supreme Court decided in 1905 that the rights of the many outweigh the rights of the few, or the one. You can absolutely be dragged out of the house by armed vaccinators and given the shot on your own front lawn if your elected representative decide it so.

Jacobson v Massachusetts, 197 US 11, 25 S Ct 358 (1905).

[DMN]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one is compelling a Covid-19 vaccine at this time. This is true.

However, the Supreme Court decided in 1905 that the rights of the many outweigh the rights of the few, or the one. You can absolutely be dragged out of the house by armed vaccinators and given the shot on your own front lawn if your elected representative decide it so.

Jacobson v Massachusetts, 197 US 11, 25 S Ct 358 (1905).

Well, that's over a hundred years ago when we were still in a near dark age as related to infectious disease. I wouldn't expect that case to stand today. Nonetheless, that specific case does not involve compelling anyone to take a vaccine, but instead whether or not it was constitutiona to fine someone for refusing to do so.

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, that's over a hundred years ago when we were still in a near dark age as related to infectious disease. I wouldn't expect that case to stand today. Nonetheless, that specific case does not involve compelling anyone to take a vaccine, but instead whether or not it was constitutional to fine someone for refusing to do so.

Oh yeah, I'm just suggesting the mechanism is in place. Look, I bet before 2020 no one imagined that state governors could just assume they could put people in jail through enforcement of arbitrary executive orders based on broad interpretations of emergency act doctrine. My state governor literally said "I wasn’t thinking of the Bill of Rights when we did this." Because thinking about that was "above my pay grade" so when his lawyers said yeah you can do whatever you want he went ahead and did.

If they decide you need to be vaccinated then you will be vaccinated because you're going to be swimming upstream; they will keep beating you over the head with existing jurisprudence that says the 14th amendment doesn't matter.

I mean yeah it's shocking to think they can come to your house and inject you full of Soros Venom DNA-modifier but the actual shocking thing is how close we are to that point. People be thinking oh we're not even close. But all it will take is a medium resurgence and "news" from somewhere that this new vaccine is the bomb and it really really works and if everyone just took it we'd be aight this time.

Didn't anyone learn anything from Game of Thrones or The Last Jedi? It's a giant roller-coaster of unexpectedness; our expectations are being subverted every day! Learn to roll with the changes and roll up your sleeve for the jab!