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06-14-2020, 06:21 PM
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Troll = (42 hp standing | 48 hp sitting) per tick Racial Regen (+12 standing | +18 hp sitting) hp per tick Regrowth +15 hp per tick Fungi +15 hp per tick Ogre (34 hp standing | 37 hp sitting) per tick Racial Regen (+4 standing | +7 hp sitting) hp per tick Regrowth +15 hp per tick Fungi +15 hp per tick Let's go back to my Canni 4 example Quote:
Troll - 106 HP Canni 4 standing per tick Ogre - 114 HP Canni 4 standing per tick Shaman Life = Mana = Life racial regen increases life regen, which effectively increases mana [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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06-14-2020, 06:27 PM
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Troll = 344 max regeneration with Torpor(you forgot about +2 from bear form!). Ogre = 336 max regeneration with Torpor. 8 HP regeneration is 2.4% of 336. Not a big boost. Pre-Torpor, the difference is 22%, which is pretty damn good.
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06-14-2020, 06:31 PM
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But yes I did 'forget' to add it. Allow me to paraphrase what you said earlier in the topic "Shaman won't have torpor up 100% of the time" Meaning that racial regen is getting you bigger hp ticks while it's down. troll even gets racial regen ticks while frontal bashed stunned, lol. I'll even admit when I solo ayillish my torpor uptime hovers around 94-96% uptime. And I do suffer hp/mana loss because it's not up 100% of the time. but that racial regen helps keep me in the green when it goes down by mistake or on purpose. getting hit for 200+ damage i'll take any mitigation I can against that. Fully self buffed included in that damage number.
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06-14-2020, 06:53 PM
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The reality is there are usually only two modes a solo Shaman operates in: 1. Completely in control of the fight. Torpor always up, slow always up, spells unresisted, etc. 2. Not in control of the fight. Some combination of bad Torpor interrupts, slow interrupts, spell resists, unlucky root breaks, etc. In situation 1, an extra 8 HP regeneration isn't making a difference. You should never be at a point where you have a dangerous amount of HP, or Mana. In situation 2, 12 seconds can be the difference between life and death. A Torpor landing, when it would otherwise be interrupted by a stun, will save you. 16 HP from regeneration will not save you. That is the major difference in our ideas. You are thinking about the long game (getting 4 free Torpors per hour), and I am thinking about the short game (not dying in 12 seconds). The real debate here is which is better to think about: The long game, or the short game. I argue the short game, due to how fast shamans can regain HP and Mana. If it only takes you 5 minutes to regain full HP/Mana, Troll regeneration is only netting you 400 HP, or 1/3 of a Torpor. That is saving 30 seconds, max. After you are full HP/Mana, your regeneration stops working.
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06-14-2020, 07:12 PM
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It's invalid. FSI is only being used when you're facing the mob being hit. Meaning you won't be at full life. So it's in the same boat as regen, Only saying that regen stops at full life is painting half the picture. ---- BTW Racial Regen does NOT stop at full life, it never stops, nothing can stop it. unlike FSI the second you turn away from the mob it's doing nothing.
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06-14-2020, 07:22 PM
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If Regeneration and FSI only really matter in a fight, then you look at how much you gain in a fight from each. In a 15 minute fight, you get 1 Torpor's worth of HP across the entire fight. This assumes you never hit 100% from Torpor, and lose ticks from that. In a 15 minute fight, you can be stunned many times. I agree you will not always be stunned at a bad time, but Ogres eliminate that possibility. Any poorly timed stun can result in 100s of HP being lost. You can easily lose more than 1200 HP in a fight from some unlucky stuns. So again, we go back to what do you want more: More consistency in spell casting (and thus less poorly timed stuns), or a consistent 1 extra Torpor per fight. From my experience, a Torpor interrupt at a bad time is more consequential than a free Torpor later in the fight, when I didn't really need it anyway.
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06-14-2020, 07:29 PM
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You're repeating what we talked about. I've stated that with torpor race doesn't matter. But what we are discussing is ogre vs troll. Quote:
I shaved off the last half, because you're just repeating more of what we already talked about and people can find my reponses in previous posts. FSI applies to frontal stuns Racial Regen applies to every server tick on the server forever.
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