Please check my math on Troll vs Ogre Shaman

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Sacer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Saying regen on a 60 shaman is useless because you got torpor is as silly as saying you don't need clarity because you have torpor.

Most 60 shaman won't use regrowth or fungi anymore, of course they think the troll regen is not needed, that just show you that being 60 does not make you suddenly a good player.

I played the live version of Loramin through LDoN, and the version here for 5+ years. I won't claim to be "teh world's bestest Shaman", but I can safely say there is nothing "good" about casting a buff you don't need. When you imply players are bad for not casting Regrowth (or wearing a Fungi) ... you just sound like someone who hasn't played a 60 Shaman with Torpor.

I regularly solo A4 in PoM, one of the harder solo camps, with no Regrowth. I also own multiple Fungi Tunics, but don't wear one. Same thing with soloing the Crypt in Seb (although I might at least bother with Regrowth there if I'm doing all four rooms), or other hard 60 Shaman spots.

The simple truth is that level of regen doesn't decide whether you win or lose many fights. Torpor/Cann makes it so you virtually never lose these fights (which can last 5+ minutes) because you ran out of mana ... you lose them because of a series of "bad rolls" or mistakes on your part (eg. you get a string of slow resists). Similarly, if you do 100 A4 mobs, or Crypt mobs, or whatever with/without Troll regen, you'll likely have the same ratio of wins/deaths, because that regen won't help avoid death.

Now that's also true for Ogres and their FSI! But over the course of 1,000, or 10,000, or maybe 100,000 fights (I dunno exactly), you are going to have one where the RNG, a series of frontal stuns, and maybe some unlucky resists and/or interrupts also, combine to result in your death. In that one case you will survive if you're an Ogre and not if you're a Troll (or Barb/Iksar).

That is why Ogres are barely the best race ... at 60 with Torpor (quite possibly the minority of playtime for your average shaman, as it takes a long time to get there). But really it truly doesn't matter, as there is no "bad" Shaman race!

(Except, kind of, Iksar.)