there is a private list system going on at AC in OOT?

[fastboy21]

The list system (not /list, I mean the rules for player made lists) is easily abused by someone who wants to abuse it.

For all intents and purposes...whoever has a camp can hand it off (as long as they don't fumble the hand off) to whomever they want.

If you want to break the rules, which are essentially impossible to get caught breaking, you can pass the camp to...yourself. Grats. You can lock a camp down forever in EQ.

You are required to tell anyone who asks who is next on the list...but there is no way that a player can verify that the answer is honest. It could be a player offline, it could the camp holders alt, it could be a total fiction made up...you'd never be able to know if someone was pulling something or not.

You are required to pass the camp to whomever your "next" is if the item you are camping drops. Again, no way to know this is being honored at most camps.

For example...lets say necro uberpants is holding down the fbss camp. You want to camp it too...so you ask uberpants who is next on the list. Uberpants replies "i'm here camping the FBSS...next on the list is PoopiePants." [This is all he has to say to you, ever.]

Player PoopiePants doesn't exist by the way...but thats okay as you are standing there a frenzied pops and Uberpants quickly goes to work dropping him easily. You ask Uberpants "hey, did you get your fbss?" --- Uberpants [lyingly] says "Nope...stupid ring again." [No way for you to check this.] Meanwhile, Uberpants good guild friend, Shitbag, comes over to camp to take the FBSS [they are lore] off Uberpants hands so that they can keep farming them.

Congrats Uberpants, Shitbag, and Poopiepants [if he existed] on being a dicks.

/List it all imo...tweak the rules slightly to make it even better...but /list it all.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The list system (not /list, I mean the rules for player made lists) is easily abused by someone who wants to abuse it.

For all intents and purposes...whoever has a camp can hand it off (as long as they don't fumble the hand off) to whomever they want.

If you want to break the rules, which are essentially impossible to get caught breaking, you can pass the camp to...yourself. Grats. You can lock a camp down forever in EQ.

You are required to tell anyone who asks who is next on the list...but there is no way that a player can verify that the answer is honest. It could be a player offline, it could the camp holders alt, it could be a total fiction made up...you'd never be able to know if someone was pulling something or not.

You are required to pass the camp to whomever your "next" is if the item you are camping drops. Again, no way to know this is being honored at most camps.

For example...lets say necro uberpants is holding down the fbss camp. You want to camp it too...so you ask uberpants who is next on the list. Uberpants replies "i'm here camping the FBSS...next on the list is PoopiePants." [This is all he has to say to you, ever.]

Player PoopiePants doesn't exist by the way...but thats okay as you are standing there a frenzied pops and Uberpants quickly goes to work dropping him easily. You ask Uberpants "hey, did you get your fbss?" --- Uberpants [lyingly] says "Nope...stupid ring again." [No way for you to check this.] Meanwhile, Uberpants good guild friend, Shitbag, comes over to camp to take the FBSS [they are lore] off Uberpants hands so that they can keep farming them.

Congrats Uberpants, Shitbag, and Poopiepants [if he existed] on being a dicks.

/List it all imo...tweak the rules slightly to make it even better...but /list it all.

Yup. There's the "letter of the law" (what little we have here), and then there's the practical details of what actually happens in-game, which can have some very different results.

But that goes both ways: while everything you said is true, it's also possible that if you petition Necro Uberpants, and a GM comes out and observes invisibly at the right time, that Uberpants might get in trouble. It's not likely, and of course you'd have to observed Uberpants acting shady for awhile before you'd ever petition ... but it is possible.

P.S. I'm with you on /list: more automated GMing for P99! Fair rules that everyone can easily know, because the game enforces them [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yup. There's the "letter of the law" (what little we have here), and then there's the practical details of what actually happens in-game, which can have some very different results.

But that goes both ways: while everything you said is true, it's also possible that if you petition Necro Uberpants, and a GM comes out and observes invisibly at the right time, that Uberpants might get in trouble. It's not likely, and of course you'd have to observed Uberpants acting shady for awhile before you'd ever petition ... but it is possible.

P.S. I'm with you on /list: more automated GMing for P99! Fair rules that everyone can easily know, because the game enforces them [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're right...and that's why I said its very hard to get caught. Basically, only way you can is if a GM with another information looks into you...or you brag about it and someone turns you in, etc.

But...over the entire time I've been playing on p99 I've never met a single person who says they got caught much less punished for this. I'm not saying that I would know how often it happens...but not one? not a single one I can remember hearing? It means it is very very very rare...and maybe only actually happened a few times ever.