Which classes can solo AM / Frenzy?

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Wallicker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry you can’t kill a kor.

I get about 20% resist on kors with tash going. A bard is looking at 30% resists on fear, snare, mez.

Do explain how you deal with kor(S) -- that's plural, without RNGesus giving you a dirty sanchez before you curse out your first moonstone ring?

Edit: they also have a very fast casting stun. And a solo bard isn't going to have much in the way for magic resist. Their stuns land on me a bit less than half the time but i have something like 123 mr. I imagine they wlll be landing at least 75% of the time on a bard.

[derpcake2]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I get about 20% resist on kors with tash going. A bard is looking at 30% resists on fear, snare, mez.

Do explain how you deal with kor(S) -- that's plural, without RNGesus giving you a dirty sanchez before you curse out your first moonstone ring?

Edit: they also have a very fast casting stun. And a solo bard isn't going to have much in the way for magic resist. Their stuns land on me a bit less than half the time but i have something like 123 mr. I imagine they wlll be landing at least 75% of the time on a bard.

Let me help you with some bard basics.

Against a caster mob you'll be casting mez, and recasting it every time its 1 second into the cast, unless the mob starts casting, in which case you finish the mez, which means 2 seconds of free dps and an interrupted spell for the caster.

Using mez / melee on caster mobs is far easier then on melee mobs, because you can interrupt a ton of the spells being cast, and there is no real downside.

Of course on every successful mez you'll be moving towards the mobs back arc, for that extra bit of dps.

Keeping a resistant mob mezzed while healing up is trivial. A succesful mez will let you get off 4 mezzes and a heal song, the chances of a mob resisting 4 mezzes in a row are low, even if that happens you skip the heal song for a 5th try. 5 resists in a row in lguk is extremely unlikely to happen.

Have fun.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by derpcake2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me help you with some bard basics.

Against a caster mob you'll be casting mez, and recasting it every time its 1 second into the cast, unless the mob starts casting, in which case you finish the mez, which means 2 seconds of free dps and an interrupted spell for the caster.

Using mez / melee on caster mobs is far easier then on melee mobs, because you can interrupt a ton of the spells being cast, and there is no real downside.

Of course on every successful mez you'll be moving towards the mobs back arc, for that extra bit of dps.

Keeping a resistant mob mezzed while healing up is trivial. A succesful mez will let you get off 4 mezzes and a heal song, the chances of a mob resisting 4 mezzes in a row are low, even if that happens you skip the heal song for a 5th try. 5 resists in a row in lguk is extremely unlikely to happen.

Have fun.

keeping something mez'd and healing up is a nice way to waste a lot of time but it's not an effective strat for KILLING the kor. I might also add that this stalling strategy could also end up being quite a bad idea because of how slow aggro ticks often are. If you've damaged the kor any amount you will occasionally be healing the kor back for 6% of its total life because it will get memory wiped within a second of a tick as you will be spamming mez. Functionally the kor is going o be outhealing the bard.

And unlike the bard, the kor can get off a stun before a mez could land. in the span of that stun and by the time yo have the chance to land anything on the kor you could have easily eaten over 1k damage.

[derpcake2]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

keeping something mez'd and healing up is a nice way to waste a lot of time but it's not an effective strat for KILLING the kor. I might also add that this stalling strategy could also end up being quite a bad idea because of how slow aggro ticks often are. If you've damaged the kor any amount you will occasionally be healing the kor back for 6% of its total life because it will get memory wiped within a second of a tick as you will be spamming mez. Functionally the kor is going o be outhealing the bard.

And unlike the bard, the kor can get off a stun before a mez could land. in the span of that stun and by the time yo have the chance to land anything on the kor you could have easily eaten over 1k damage.

You've obviously never done this.

The Kor won't be healing, since even if you memblur it, and the next song in your cycle is healing song, you can land your next mez in 6 seconds (slightly less actually, since you can stop casting a song when the bar is 95%ish, depending on latency, for me its more).

This gives scenario:
3rd second: mez lands and memblurs
6th second: heal song finishes
9th second: mez lands and stops the memblur

This is the worst scenario, since once you want to heal you'll be twisting heal, followed by 4 casts of mez.

And no, the Kors won't be getting off stuns. Feel free to link the disruptive wizard spell they can cast with a 2 second or lower cast time.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by derpcake2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You've obviously never done this.

The Kor won't be healing, since even if you memblur it, and the next song in your cycle is healing song, you can land your next mez in 6 seconds (slightly less actually, since you can stop casting a song when the bar is 95%ish, depending on latency, for me its more).

This gives scenario:
3rd second: mez lands and memblurs
6th second: heal song finishes
9th second: mez lands and stops the memblur

This is the worst scenario, since once you want to heal you'll be twisting heal, followed by 4 casts of mez.

And no, the Kors won't be getting off stuns. Feel free to link the disruptive wizard spell they can cast with a 2 second or lower cast time.

i don't think you understand at all what you are talking about at this time. The tick for regening the kor could come shortly after you land the memblur. Once its blurred it now most aggro via body aggro to prevent it from healing which is often time slow, always takes at least 1 second and sometimes up to 3 seconds for body aggro.

And where did you get this bullshit idea you can cast mez at 2 second cast speed instead of 3? Same place where all your other completely incorrect theorycrafting comes from?

https://wiki.project1999.com/Tishan%27s_Clash

And again where have you explained how you are killing this kor?

[derpcake2]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1)i don't think you understand at all what you are talking about at this time. The tick for regening the kor could come shortly after you land the memblur. Once its blurred it now most aggro via body aggro to prevent it from healing which is often time slow, always takes at least 1 second and sometimes up to 3 seconds for body aggro.

2) And where did you get this bullshit idea you can cast mez at 2 second cast speed instead of 3? Same place where all your other completely incorrect theorycrafting comes from?

3) https://wiki.project1999.com/Tishan%27s_Clash

4) And again where have you explained how you are killing this kor?

1) I understand that, but its not going to happen once a minute. Its going to be very rare. I can't find the numbers on the bard mez mem blur chance, but its low.

2) This is while fighting the mob. You start casting mez, if the mob starts casting, you let the mez finish, if the mob doesn't start casting, you cancel your song when 1 or 1.5 seconds in, so you can start your next mez. This lets you do damage, while preventing most casts through mez landing.

3) that has 0 MR adjust, and does very low damage. A crown of tranix should probably suffice to resist it reliably. An SSB and some other MR stuff makes it trivial.

4) see 2)

Just for you, here is 2bis:

You mez the mob, sing heal song with guitar, switch to drums and sing MR song, switch to weapons and start casting mez,you melee the mob while chain casting mez until heal song drops and mez again (stop attack when mez lands to regen, in case that wasn't clear). MR song with a store drum is still going to give 35*1.8 MR.

I played a bard a lot. Had to, because it took ages to kill some stuff with this method.

[derpcake2]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

keeping something mez'd and healing up is a nice way to waste a lot of time but it's not an effective strat for KILLING the kor. I might also add that this stalling strategy could also end up being quite a bad idea because of how slow aggro ticks often are. If you've damaged the kor any amount you will occasionally be healing the kor back for 6% of its total life because it will get memory wiped within a second of a tick as you will be spamming mez. Functionally the kor is going o be outhealing the bard.

And unlike the bard, the kor can get off a stun before a mez could land. in the span of that stun and by the time yo have the chance to land anything on the kor you could have easily eaten over 1k damage.

The kor functionally outhealing the bard simply isn't correct.

Hymn with a lute of the gypsy princes gives 23.1 hp / tick regen, or 138 hp / minute. Guesstimating that comes to about 8% / minute for a 1500 hp bard.

The situation you are describing is never going to happen often enough to make the bard lose the healing contest, not even close.