Raid Changes

[Wrei]

Originally Posted by Taluvill View Post
30 people that don't jobs, real lives, girls(ouch), school

Ok let me get this straight:

1. A guild swooping down on a boss after it spawns (within minutes to hours-depending on when the boss spawns) means they got no jobs, no lives and no gf and are bums. Check.

2. A guild "camping" an empty room for 24 hours means they got jobs, have important lives and have multiple girlfriends while being immensely successful in life. Check.

3. Rotation is "fair" provided your one of the guilds "in" the rotation. Check.

4. Rotation is NOT fair and we (trans) have been bitching diligently ever since it got implemented. Check.

5. Trans is better than IB in every aspect, we talked the talk and haven't said anything when rotation got lifted to prove we are better. Check.

6. After getting our (trans) ass kicked the current system must be flawed as there's no way IB can be better then us. Check.

7. Had we (trans) been dominating the raid content AFTER rotation got lifted we would have made sure to keep crying to change this "unfair" system. As we're all for the having "everyone and their mom" get boss kills every week. Check.

8. All other raiding guilds are ok with competition but we're (trans) not because let's face it this game is 10 years old and we got better shit to do in RL so let's go back to sitting in front of a boss 24 hours before it spawns. Check.

9. How does IB keep killing a boss before other guilds? They must be hacking no other explanation. Check.

10. We're (trans) telling you guys that such hacks exist and in fact will promote people to use it just to prove a point that the system is vulnerable. Once again we would have stated such things EVEN if trans were the ones killing all the bosses. Check.

I could go on forever.... see the current system IS fair to all guilds. There were many times when IB was beat to a boss and lost our rights to the first attempt. We only got the kill after X guilds failed in their attempts, something that over time the other guilds will quickly pick up and before long other guilds will be killing their share.

The biggest joke in this whole issue is how Trans talked so much crap about how awesome they are then goes on to claim they really are a casual guild with average joe's best interest at heart. If everyone killing all the bosses every week was so important to you guys then why not just run your own private server? You can pop Nag every hour on the hour to get the "thrill" of killing X boss after 10years.

Not all raiding guilds are the same. To be successful you need people that are ALL on the same page. Something that a lot of the raiding guilds out there have a hard time building. IB is not "better" then any guilds out there. We just happen to be a bunch of individuals that all want the same things and believe in pulling our own weight to make it happen.

Lastly, this hacking thing is REALLY getting out of hand. I know you guys are arguing for the sake of arguing but it's really ridiculous to read some of the crap being posted here. You can even ask your ex trans guildmates that ended up joining us. Nobody in IB is hacking to spawn a boss, or predict when a boss spawns or w/e other nonsense you all believe in. It's called setting up a rotation of trackers (hard work omg) to mobilizing as quickly as we can. For a guild that's willing to sit in front of a boss 24 hours, I'm surprised you guys are having such a rough time figuring out when a boss pops.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by Wrei [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok let me get this straight:

1. A guild swooping down on a boss after it spawns (within minutes to hours-depending on when the boss spawns) means they got no jobs, no lives and no gf and are bums. Check

2. A guild "camping" an empty room for 24 hours means they got jobs, have important lives and have multiple girlfriends while being immensely successful in life. Check.

this is not necessarily true, and are only taunting words. you should know a little of that by know from your many trollers. either way, if it is not true, dont let it get to you.

3. Rotation is "fair" provided your one of the guilds "in" the rotation. Check.

i believe that is correct, and as soon as an outside guild was introduced, this rotation would not work, which is why it was taken out.

4. Rotation is NOT fair and we (trans) have been bitching diligently ever since it got implemented. Check.

your dramatizing this.

5. Trans is better than IB in every aspect, we talked the talk and haven't said anything when rotation got lifted to prove we are better. Check
6. After getting our (trans) ass kicked the current system must be flawed as there's no way IB can be better then us. Check.
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same thing

7. Had we (trans) been dominating the raid content AFTER rotation got lifted we would have made sure to keep crying to change this "unfair" system. As we're all for the having "everyone and their mom" get boss kills every week. Check.

probably not to be honest with you. but i assure you someone with balls woulda have spoken up.

9. How does IB keep killing a boss before other guilds? They must be hacking no other explanation. Check.

you guys have put in hard work to track down mobs. i just want to promote FAIRNESS and COMPETITION to its fullest, as that was the main intent of the new rotation, and that lies with classical rotation.

10. We're (trans) telling you guys that such hacks exist and in fact will promote people to use it just to prove a point that the system is vulnerable. Once again we would have stated such things EVEN if trans were the ones killing all the bosses. Check.

we're not promoting the use of hacks, infact, we are doing everything to prevent it.

I could go on forever.... see the current system IS fair to all guilds. There were many times when IB was beat to a boss and lost our rights to the first attempt. We only got the kill after X guilds failed in their attempts, something that over time the other guilds will quickly pick up and before long other guilds will be killing their share.

The biggest joke in this whole issue is how Trans talked so much crap about how awesome they are then goes on to claim they really are a casual guild with average joe's best interest at heart. If everyone killing all the bosses every week was so important to you guys then why not just run your own private server? You can pop Nag every hour on the hour to get the "thrill" of killing X boss after 10years.

Not all raiding guilds are the same. To be successful you need people that are ALL on the same page. Something that a lot of the raiding guilds out there have a hard time building. IB is not "better" then any guilds out there. We just happen to be a bunch of individuals that all want the same things and believe in pulling our own weight to make it happen.

Lastly, this hacking thing is REALLY getting out of hand. I know you guys are arguing for the sake of arguing but it's really ridiculous to read some of the crap being posted here. You can even ask your ex trans guildmates that ended up joining us. Nobody in IB is hacking to spawn a boss, or predict when a boss spawns or w/e other nonsense you all believe in. It's called setting up a rotation of trackers (hard work omg) to mobilizing as quickly as we can. For a guild that's willing to sit in front of a boss 24 hours, I'm surprised you guys are having such a rough time figuring out when a boss pops.

I'll hit the keypoints among this whinefest. Yes, you, Inglourious Basterds, are better campers than we are. congratulations. and since this is the case, you guys should have no problem moving to classical rotation, where even MORE camping is encouraged, if wanted, and eliminate all possibility of third party software being an issue for, yes hear me out, NOT JUST YOUR GUILD, but any other guild that might hit the raiding scene.
Mythoxxus

[karsten]

did you just refer to this abortion of a thread that you created a "whinefest?"

[Zexa]

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and since this is the case, you guys should have no problem moving to classical rotation, where even MORE camping is encouraged, if wanted, and eliminate all possibility of third party software being an issue for, yes hear me out, NOT JUST YOUR GUILD, but any other guild that might hit the raiding scene.
Mythoxxus

You are seriously going to keep on with the conspiracy theory that someone hacked the system and can see the exact spawn time of raid mobs? If only you had the same persistence in game.

There are only two plausible reasons for your logic on this whole raid situation. The first being that you guys are as delusional as you sound and think that knowing the exact second a raid target spawns will keep the hackers from being able to mobilize the second something spawns and gong back to the petition fest and GM intervention will benefit us all.

Or...since I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, you have come up with this clever scheme that would do exactly the above. Guild A and B would both camp a spawn with 15 people for days, and when one person from guild A goes LD, guild B would claim now they have first attempt since they have a screenshot showing guild B has 15 while guild A has 14. Both disagree. Both engage at once. Situation becomes unmanageable, and we get some worse ruleset put into play. Perhaps we'd get rotation back because we couldn't make it work?

This whole thread is very difficult for a lot of us to understand. Other than removing the magic 8-ball telling someone spawn times, you've said that it would increase times you need to camp mobs and make the system more fair for all. Why don't you spend 5 days camping these said mobs with the current system in place and while the other guilds continue to use the tracker system, you'll already have your selected mobs on lock down. It seems the other guilds favor this new system.

[Arkanjil]

I think Mythoxxus should join IB....maybe then he would stop complaining and love life a little more.

Just my 2cp.