The great merge of 2020

[astuce999]

The bottomline is that there are 2 types of people who want to play classic EQ.

Those who want to enjoy the content, and those who find enjoyment by denying others access to the content.

It's very easy to find who's in what camp based on the types of comments they leave here, and even easier in game.

I don't believe we can re-conciliate both sides.

With the merge, the show-runners clearly indicated which side they are on. It is sad that they failed to understand how an overpopulated server would quickly become toxic/radioactive.

Yes, in 1999, you had 1500-2500 players on a single server. You also had people 2-boxing. Neither of those should be true in 2020 for any chance at a healthy vanilla-only server.

Godspeed and best of luck,

Astuce

[Corbin]

Originally Posted by astuce999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Astuce

Did you play with Final Door on the live Stromm server?

[astuce999]

Originally Posted by Corbin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you play with Final Door on the live Stromm server?

Not sure how conceited this is going to come off, but here goes nothing.

I played Astuce on the Innoruuk server. I had a bit of a following. When the Stromm server opened, one of my "fans" created Astuce on it, as a bit of a joke at first, but ended up playing him and getting into Final Door.

When Innoruuk merged with The Nameless, the option to go to Stromm instead was given and my guild at the time chose to go there instead. I then became "Astucexxx" on Stromm. I did run into the "other Astuce" a couple times, and confused a lot of people. I did join Final Door briefly later on when my guild collapsed, but found a more suitable home with Subliminal Realm.

TL[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]R; Yes, but as Astucexxx and not the Astuce you may be thinking of.

cheers,

Astuce

[Corbin]

Originally Posted by astuce999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure how conceited this is going to come off, but here goes nothing.

I played Astuce on the Innoruuk server. I had a bit of a following. When the Stromm server opened, one of my "fans" created Astuce on it, as a bit of a joke at first, but ended up playing him and getting into Final Door.

When Innoruuk merged with The Nameless, the option to go to Stromm instead was given and my guild at the time chose to go there instead. I then became "Astucexxx" on Stromm. I did run into the "other Astuce" a couple times, and confused a lot of people. I did join Final Door briefly later on when my guild collapsed, but found a more suitable home with Subliminal Realm.

TL[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]R; Yes, but as Astucexxx and not the Astuce you may be thinking of.

cheers,

Astuce

I was only vaguely aware of this tale, ty for enlightening me [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I remember Astuce, but must have absented myself during your visit with us in FD. I hope Darinae and the crew are well.

All the best in future adventures!

[Doktoor]

Originally Posted by astuce999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure how conceited this is going to come off, but here goes nothing.

I played Astuce on the Innoruuk server. I had a bit of a following.

Really conceited.

[Asteria]

Originally Posted by astuce999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The bottomline is that there are 2 types of people who want to play classic EQ.

Those who want to enjoy the content, and those who find enjoyment by denying others access to the content.

It's very easy to find who's in what camp based on the types of comments they leave here, and even easier in game.

I don't believe we can re-conciliate both sides.

With the merge, the show-runners clearly indicated which side they are on. It is sad that they failed to understand how an overpopulated server would quickly become toxic/radioactive.

Yes, in 1999, you had 1500-2500 players on a single server. You also had people 2-boxing. Neither of those should be true in 2020 for any chance at a healthy vanilla-only server.

Godspeed and best of luck,

Astuce

In 1999, people played to make friends and have fun doing stuff! We weren't all min/maxers waving our hands around in frustration or quitting if we couldn't get a manastone and loot all BiS items...

What are your priorities in life?

[astuce999]

Originally Posted by Asteria [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In 1999, people played to make friends and have fun doing stuff! We weren't all min/maxers waving our hands around in frustration or quitting if we couldn't get a manastone and loot all BiS items...

What are your priorities in life?

Hello Pixel-Denier,

Thank you for a great example of how the two camps have irreconcilable differences. Much like the old saying "a liar won't believe anyone else", pixel-deniers can't even fathom anyone playing for other reasons than their own value-set. If someone is frustrated or quitting, the only possible reason has to be manastone/BiS items, any other statement is immediately dismissed as bullshit.

Even if I brought up facts like "as a bard I have no interest in a manastone or jboots and I'll happily wait for Mask of Deception so that other people can get their guises", I would be instantly met with hateful skepticism.

The cognitive dissonance reaches its crescendo with the last question. While it seems perfectly reasonable and valid for pixel-deniers, for content-enjoyers it's an instant "WTF is wrong with you?"

It's the blue/black vs. gold dress, or Yanni vs. Laurel debate equivalent.

Thank you again for your contribution and I also love the avatar pic!

cheers,

Astuce

[Asteria]

Originally Posted by astuce999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hello Pixel-Denier

Hello content-enjoyer! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by astuce999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you for a great example of how the two camps have irreconcilable differences.

You're most welcome, mate.

Originally Posted by astuce999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you again for your contribution and I also love the avatar pic!

Cheers! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
What is your highest level toon right now? Maybe we can group up some time - I wouldn't mind helping you get a guise if you didn't want to wait for a mask of deception.

[NPC]

Originally Posted by Asteria [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In 1999, people played to make friends and have fun doing stuff! We weren't all min/maxers waving our hands around in frustration or quitting if we couldn't get a manastone and loot all BiS items...

What are your priorities in life?

So, since the merge, lots people KS, camp stealing. Low level trying to camp orcs, but high level working faction, farming DF belts for alts. High level camping dervs for rings. Asked a Druid for port to NK, only had 2 gold, 20 silver 100 copper. Dropped me at Toxx and complained about the tip an left me. Sat on list for spawn 8 hours, person camping just before me was solo, then had someone join that wasn't on the list. Original person left, then person that joined took the camp instead of respecting the list. Toxic doesn't begin to describe Tealed/Green.
And it goes on an on, elites dont want to see the plight of the regular players, legacy items? How about just exp an some pp?
The pop timers are wrong in tons of zones, all spawns dont share one timer in a zone, wtf?!
The population of some zone way off, wrong number of some mobs, lots of mobs completely missing from zones, experience gained from lots of mobs completely wrong. ZEM's were not live this early. Classic? This is someone very vague memory of classic. If you actually played then you would wonder what the hell this is. Its a bunch of newer players heard about classic then want to play, classic people didn't have this kind knowledge. Plus, when the devs don't even have that knowledge of classic makes you wonder why try to make classic? Its a twisted mix of new and old with lots of fudging. Why the hell would you have ZEM's knowning damn well high end content is extremely limited in classic? Lets help lots of people get to 50 quick, then have nothing to do but jack with all the lower end spawns that newer players trying to enjoy? Genius

[cd288]

Originally Posted by NPC [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, since the merge, lots people KS, camp stealing. Low level trying to camp orcs, but high level working faction, farming DF belts for alts. High level camping dervs for rings.

If you're there for XP, did you try asking the higher level if you could kill the mobs and they could take the belts? Generally I've found most higher levels who are farming drops are more than happy to agree to that arrangement.

Originally Posted by NPC [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The pop timers are wrong in tons of zones, all spawns dont share one timer in a zone, wtf?!

Not sure which timers you think are wrong. Many zones back in the day had the same respawn timer for most mobs in the zone. If you think things are wrong, then do some research and provide evidence. The staff are usually very willing to make changes if evidence can be provided that something is incorrect.

Originally Posted by NPC [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The population of some zone way off, wrong number of some mobs, lots of mobs completely missing from zones, experience gained from lots of mobs completely wrong. ZEM's were not live this early. Classic? This is someone very vague memory of classic. If you actually played then you would wonder what the hell this is.

Again, if you think things are wrong with some of the mobs, then do the research and provide the evidence to prove it and I'm sure the staff will be happy to change it. But "I'm pissy because I remember something this way and you should just trust my memory of something from 20 years ago otherwise you're wrong!1!11!!!" doesn't really cut it here as a standard for making changes to the server...

Originally Posted by NPC [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its a bunch of newer players heard about classic then want to play, classic people didn't have this kind knowledge.

You're right, we didn't have the knowledge back then that we do now. It's what comes with playing the game for 20 years and is unavoidable. So unless you have one of those Men in Black memory eraser things...