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Old 01-20-2020, 05:08 AM
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This seems pretty clear. If he won the roll, it's his.

The only wrench in the gears here would be if the entire party agreed to doing NBG or something and he greed rolled after that fact, but we have yet to see any evidence of that.
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Old 01-20-2020, 10:22 AM
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The only wrench in the gears here would be if the entire party agreed to doing NBG or something and he greed rolled after that fact, but we have yet to see any evidence of that.
The rules weren't clear when he joined, but they were quoted as NBG. To that end: The item was an upgrade. He is eligible to use the item, he rolled. He won. He looted it. He was using it.

He offered to sell the bracer to one of the people who didn't win the roll for 1k, but that's not breaking the spirit of NBG.

Once you win an item under the loot rules provided, it is yours to do with as you wish.

NBG gates eligibility to roll, not ownership rights in perpetuity.

He sold the bracer to someone who was there because they weren't allowed to roll. He's winner, he can do that.

We've talked to Solmn about some of his finesse in some of the interactions we've seen screenshots for, but honestly given the responses from the peanut gallery and OP here...I'm satisfied that he's not the worst offender.
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Old 01-20-2020, 11:58 AM
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The rules weren't clear when he joined, but they were quoted as NBG. To that end: The item was an upgrade. He is eligible to use the item, he rolled. He won. He looted it. He was using it.

He offered to sell the bracer to one of the people who didn't win the roll for 1k, but that's not breaking the spirit of NBG.

Once you win an item under the loot rules provided, it is yours to do with as you wish.

NBG gates eligibility to roll, not ownership rights in perpetuity.

He sold the bracer to someone who was there because they weren't allowed to roll. He's winner, he can do that.

We've talked to Solmn about some of his finesse in some of the interactions we've seen screenshots for, but honestly given the responses from the peanut gallery and OP here...I'm satisfied that he's not the worst offender.
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Old 01-20-2020, 01:10 PM
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The rules weren't clear when he joined, but they were quoted as NBG. To that end: The item was an upgrade. He is eligible to use the item, he rolled. He won. He looted it. He was using it.

He offered to sell the bracer to one of the people who didn't win the roll for 1k, but that's not breaking the spirit of NBG.

Once you win an item under the loot rules provided, it is yours to do with as you wish.

NBG gates eligibility to roll, not ownership rights in perpetuity.

He sold the bracer to someone who was there because they weren't allowed to roll. He's winner, he can do that.

We've talked to Solmn about some of his finesse in some of the interactions we've seen screenshots for, but honestly given the responses from the peanut gallery and OP here...I'm satisfied that he's not the worst offender.
Color me surprised that the guy spamming every NBG / GBN thread about how awful NBG is, and how much of a fan he is of greed rolling, took an opportunity to need roll and then turn around and sell it.

Dude also has a serious ego problem. Was flaunting his BIS gear when trying to join a group list, and hung around the group for 30 minutes even though he was nowhere near top of list, trying to show off. Then proceeded to beg a group member to move him to the top of the list.

It's pretty obvious who the loot hungry trolls are on the server. Whether you win an item legitimately doesn't matter much if you're still a douchebag.
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Old 01-20-2020, 01:51 PM
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Color me surprised that the guy spamming every NBG / GBN thread about how awful NBG is, and how much of a fan he is of greed rolling, took an opportunity to need roll and then turn around and sell it.

Dude also has a serious ego problem. Was flaunting his BIS gear when trying to join a group list, and hung around the group for 30 minutes even though he was nowhere near top of list, trying to show off. Then proceeded to beg a group member to move him to the top of the list.

It's pretty obvious who the loot hungry trolls are on the server. Whether you win an item legitimately doesn't matter much if you're still a douchebag.
sounds like you are mad he has bis. i would be too.
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Old 01-31-2020, 09:15 PM
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sounds like you are mad he has bis. i would be too.
Should I be mad that I am not enough of a dork to know what bis is or that I surely wouldn't be bragging about it? Mr/Mrs reality (Sorry it is hard to tell), come to reality and see that pixels are not important enough to brag about.
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Old 01-31-2020, 09:35 PM
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OK, lol, I just ran across this from an actual thread I started elsewhere referring to it. I guess Solemn wants to peg "an alt" account for posing this thread? Nope, not me. I do not have the screenshots anymore, but they are on Venerate's discord for anyone part of that guild; ask them for them. Actually, maybe some are in my email since Archonus of Odus pretended he wanted them, but instead laughably claimed Solmn "needed" the bracer because he was wearing it... Uhhh, that's not what he was saying. He said he was selling it. I think a person's level of intelligence is reflected by what they think is a good argument to others. No Archonus, nobody believes Solmn needed the bracer. Oh and it is just weird for you to tell me you were "inspecting him earlier and saw him wearing it". It's one thing to lie, it is another to lie about something so absurd.

Lol, #1, Solmn was told it was a NBG group if he was going to join. #2 He accepted the invite #3 A bracer dropped #4 He claims GBN and loots it right away while the need person was being told he could have it (The 50 clr that went out of his way to heal since we couln't find anyone else) #4 If it was "GBN", then why did you loot it before I, the group lead, didn't even roll.

Lol, dude you're a clown; and so is at least one of your "officers". After you were kicked for being an asshat (Ninja looting pixels is only accidentally related), you ended up sending me a tirade of butthurt.

In fact, you sent me another screed OUT OF NOWHERE in tells over a week later when I get tells informing me "You're the worst mage on the server" etc etc etc a couple days ago. Uhhh ok. What is weird is that this all is just a reflection of your integrity in real life. Someone has to be really low on the totem pole to ninja on a video game, lie, then obsess about it for weeks. I know you sent me the tell asking if I was mad, are you?

Like the Patchet saga, I'm not mad at all. People that have little to no self esteem don't realize how I couldn't be because THEY would be mad. You can see it in my other thread and how so many responded the way they did. People like you are the one's who get mad. You are so insignificant in RL that you act the way you do in game.

Helping people and more importantly helping people enjoy the game is much more rewarding than stealing shit. Bro, you're petty. Do some introspection.

Now to see if I have the screenshots still in my sent folder. The one from a couple days ago expressing his salty salty tears will have to be posted by someone from Venerate.

Pic 1: Solmn bitching about the only healer we could find. Worse yet he does it open chat to the clr who came as a favor. What a douche. Clr says he simply wants the bracer. Zubas is a good dude, too bad more of the same aren't around. (The screenshot was taken after Solmn was kicked so know that both chat windows aren't reflecting the same times) Half the group didn't have a chance to roll before he loots, even if it was GBN which it wasn't. FFS, I didn't need anything in that entire zone and was still having it NBG and still do to this day anywhere I go.

Pic 2: Clearly a need b4 greed group that Solmn tried to hijack. Gee whiz Archonus, why is Solmn trying to sell it if he "needed" it? I should have saved the screenshots of Dark Men's officer BS excuses.

Pic:3 Backtracking a bit from Sitand who transferred me leader under the wish, which was of the group, to keep it NBG.

Pic 4: The comic reaction of a person actually suffering repercussions. Bahaha, "rolling on items I need" to sell...


Apparently, I am a "literal" retard. Who knows, maybe that's the one thing he got right!

Anyhow, this has been enough of a dose of drama for the day. Enjoy!


Well Mr. Smellybuttface, I appreciate yours being one of the more objective takes, however...

Let me clarify a few matters of contention:

#1 Zubas didn't assume he would get the bracer or feel entitled. He had spoken about it prior and nobody needed it.

#2 You are correct, NBG was discussed before. Solmn responded snarkily by saying "I think you mean GBN". We said no. He said nothing more and kept playing. It seemed a resolved issue and he CHOSE to stay in group. This was when he first joined and the text had long been overwritten in the chat window or I had already spent enough time taking screenshots while I should have been playing. In any event, it is clear as you noticed, that he was well aware of NBG.

#3 Turns out he fucked over a bunch of other guildies earlier that day. He is supposed to be on a no group or res with Venerate. In fact, the day before, he fucked me over in EC. He promised to sell me something and I said I was a bit short on cash. HE started to send tells to everyone in my guild asking them to loan me the cash. Fucking lunatic. You see him in pic #4 admitting it. After a guildie who he didnt even know said he would, AFTER the guy wasted his time making a bank run to get me the cash, Solmn turns around and sells it to someone else because they offered 50 more plat...

#4 NBG isn't "inherently" unfair. As you said, it was agreed upon prior. Is it as advantageous for everyone to participate? No. As I said, I didn't need anything and play NBG. Why NBG normally with me? Because I usually either group with guildies or in group "friends". So, there have been many instances earlier in playing where I benefited more than others in the group with NBG. In a total pickup group of absolute randoms then many times its voted GBN. Whenever I lead a group and enough turnover happens, I call another VOTE. In a tie, the old rule remains. If people want GBN, then we go to that. There is nothing unfair about it. NBG can be more advantageous too. It all depends. Can you argue that in the long run that people can just greed roll everything and sell to get what they need? Sure, but that wasn't the case with THAT group as you noticed.

#5 There is a pic of some rolls. However, as you can see, if things were the way Solmn wanted it before he looted, there would have been 6 rolls, not 3. The only reason there were two others at the time from Solmn is because 1 was Zubas thinking that Solmn needed it so rolled against him. The other, just succumbed to Solmn's demands to roll after knowing he didn't need it, but if I remember right corrected himself after Solmn was kicked.

#6 Solemn is an astronomical fuckhead. Without even mentioning him, I have ran into NUMEROUS occasions of people bitching about him. Then when that happens and anyone sees the guy's name, MORE people jump in. Lol, try an OOC in EC to see if anyone has heard of the guy. The tales will go well beyond his obsession for ninja looting and GBN. He's just an old fashioned unwiped asshole through and through.

So to clarify to all you dopes that think this thread was made by me, I am not Muehler. Lol, I think I just got it. Mule. Clever. Anyhow, not me champs. If I have anything to sell it is with Kael and I auction it ridiculously cheap until it sells right away because I hate selling in EC.

So no, I don't have a mule or a Muehler... Solemn just is a complete fuck head that likes to abuse large colons any chance he gets. He is universally hated and it is amazing, even with such a shit reputation as Odus has, that they keep him around. I can respect a good troll, but this guy is embarrassing.

Well as people can see from my previous screenshots of your incessant butthurt, you didn't appear to "gunna leave anyway".

We were at royals, what bracer drops there that Digital (The enchanter who you conveniently don't have a screenshot complaining about this bracer) needed? I don't see Digital rolling in your own selective screen shot. Oh and btw, your own screenshot shows 2 other group members telling you that you're a dipshit. Man oh man you reach levels of stupidity that I have never thought possible even in a 22 year old bootlegged video game.

You are such a moron or compulsive liar, probably both, that I didn't "replace" a 40's cleric with a 50's guildie. As my screenshots show, Sitand was our 40's cleric WHO WAS THE GROUP LEADER left when Zubas arrived. There were no healers available so Zubas was doing us a favor because he obviously didn't need the exp. He figured the bracer would be SOME reason to be there for other than selflessly healing for us.
Fucking dope. You are 100% selfish so you wouldn't understand.

What is amazing is not that you're a complete moron, but what is amazing is that you are such a profound idiot that you think other people will believe your nonsense. I am shocked you know how to operate a mouse and keyboard.

Ummm, the only misunderstanding is the one you're perpetuating. Your shit grammar leaves it up in the air about "information you were provided". Whose information? Who gave it to you and what did it say? Some people could think that Solemn gave you info that somehow justified his BS. he of course obviously has none since his own screenshot shows him to be the fucktard he is. Definitely says loads for your guild.

More importantly, THIS ISN'T MY THREAD. THIS WAS APPARENTLY STARTED BY YET ANOTHER PERSON YOUR GUILD HAS FUCKED OVER. Why do you guys even pretend like you care? Do I have a manastone? Noooooooope. Has ANYONE ever seen me camp a manastone? Noooooooooope. Would I even want to waste my time camping fucking insane amounts of hours for something that is worthless post Kunark for non porters? Nooooooooooope. Do I go by Muehler or have a Mule (I am assuming that's what his name means)? Noooooope.

Get your shit straight before accusing me of starting this thread. In fact, why don't you fucking idiots post the screenshots that I EMAILED you? Don't worry, I just did...

Oh and yeah, I accept trial by combat by Solemn. Just in real life. That way he can stand behind his and his guild's bullshit. Set it up.

He didn't win the roll you asshat liar. It was an NBG group. Then again, you know this as I emailed you the screenshots. The same ones I just posted in this thread. If he "won the roll" there would have been 6 rolls. Where exactly is my roll? Your guild's bullshit is so easily debunked from your own exhibits.

I swear to be a member of your guild you must have to have the prerequisite of eating a bucket of lead paint chips.

Who petitioned, dipshit? I certainly didn't. I sent you the screenshots that you conveniently didn't post. Whoever the OP is with the manastone thing, who knows if he petitioned.

IN FACT, I told Archonus (an officer of your shit guild-Maybe you're him) that I wasn't going to petition because I wouldn't want to waste a GM's time over petty bullshit a guild should be able to handle. I then handed the matter off to him and Legendarymonk (Venerate) after he wanted me to email him the screenshots which I did. What was done after that I have no idea other than Venerate decided to put Solemn on a do not group or rez list. Being I am no longer in that guild, I don't give two fucks what they do with Solemn. Group and rez to your heart's content.

What I don't like is you saying I started this shit thread that has no screenshots or anything until ******I****** just posted them. If this was me, why the fuck wouldn't I have posted the screenshots YOU admit you got weeks ago? Holy shit you guys all have dogshit for brains. Do you guys actually think you're clever?

Lastly, shouldn't claiming GM's decided something which they didn't be an offense to get banned? Anyone have any input with that?

Well soyboy (Your obsession over soyboy makes you an NPC-Now what?), it is convenient you say his "story checks out" without giving any proof.

Your guildie making a deal, you know a contract to sell something, then harassing others to get the cash, only to sell it to someone else is yes, ripping them off. To get into lawyering, well because I know what I am talking about since I have the same conversations with judges, this would be a standard contract breach, ie ripping someone off.

I am having a hard time really believing you can be this stupid. You HAVE to be trolling people. Sadly, people are having their time wasted due to your guild's bullshit. Trolling is one thing. Going around harassing people you don't even know to get them to lend someone else they don't know is lunacy.

Glad to know that Solemn still loses sleep to still send me random tells informing me that I am "the worst" mage on the server

Huh? What proof? Evidence provided? Won the roll? Where is my roll? A super selective screenshot of 2 people, 1 not even Venerate bitching about the guy in HIS OWN SCREENSHOT is proof to you? Only 2 Venerate were in the group. Monopolize the loot? WTF kind of logic is this? I didn't need any of the loot from royals. WTF, can a mage use? How would NBG benefit me? Maybe, see the screenshots I provided forma. My God... Stay off a jury for all of our sakes.

You are an embarrassing millennial wanna be alt lighter. You're an NPC and don't even know it. Cuck? Soy boy? Even Paul Joseph Watson only made a couple of videos using those 2019 terms. Come on my dude, its the current year. I would guess you have a poster of Ben Shapiro over your bed too. You think you're so edgy, but I GUARANTEE I would put your armchair political regurgitation to shame.

You ridicule leftists, but you argue just like one. Imagine that...

You keep rambling on about not being suspended? Suspended by who? Holy shit dude, I think you have spent too much time watching alt light videos about progressives that you are manufacturing your facts from your feelings... "Facts don't care about your feelings"-Ben Shapiro, patron saint of Odus.

Someone actually mentioned you yesterday... Of course, it was nothing good. I think he actually was bitching about you training or something, it doesn't matter, I get it all confused there is so much bitching about you and I don't even start the conversation.

The thing that stood out is his point that for how much you play, if ANYONE liked you, how the fuck are you not 50? Are you just deleting your toons after nobody will group with you?

Amen. Well said my friend. It still amazes me they argue that this was a greed roll when they show only 3 rolls... Of course the screenshots they HAVE and failed to provide, I posted. It was NBG and he and they know it. I mean if you're going to be a griefer guild, aren't you supposed to brag up your trolling and exploits? Lol, fucking weirdos.

Should I be mad that I am not enough of a dork to know what bis is or that I surely wouldn't be bragging about it? Mr/Mrs reality (Sorry it is hard to tell), come to reality and see that pixels are not important enough to brag about.
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Old 01-31-2020, 09:40 PM
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Did you seriously just go through and copy and paste every post I have made?

You're fucking weird.

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Color me surprised that the guy spamming every NBG / GBN thread about how awful NBG is, and how much of a fan he is of greed rolling, took an opportunity to need roll and then turn around and sell it.
There's a philosophical debate here about NBG and how it's a social convention that relies on mutual respect and a sense of giving things up now for consideration later - versus greed rolling everything, which rewards people instantly for the work they put in regardless of any actual "use" of the item...but this is the wrong thread for it. I'm not sure there is a "right" thread for it on the p99 forums; any attempts will inevitably end up here, where they will devolve into namecalling and pointless douchebaggery.

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Dude also has a serious ego problem. Was flaunting his BIS gear when trying to join a group list, and hung around the group for 30 minutes even though he was nowhere near top of list, trying to show off. Then proceeded to beg a group member to move him to the top of the list.

It's pretty obvious who the loot hungry trolls are on the server. Whether you win an item legitimately doesn't matter much if you're still a douchebag.
Hence my comments about finesse.

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Color me surprised that the guy spamming every NBG / GBN thread about how awful NBG is, and how much of a fan he is of greed rolling, took an opportunity to need roll and then turn around and sell it.

Dude also has a serious ego problem. Was flaunting his BIS gear when trying to join a group list, and hung around the group for 30 minutes even though he was nowhere near top of list, trying to show off. Then proceeded to beg a group member to move him to the top of the list.

It's pretty obvious who the loot hungry trolls are on the server. Whether you win an item legitimately doesn't matter much if you're still a douchebag.
Amen. Well said my friend. It still amazes me they argue that this was a greed roll when they show only 3 rolls... Of course the screenshots they HAVE and failed to provide, I posted. It was NBG and he and they know it. I mean if you're going to be a griefer guild, aren't you supposed to brag up your trolling and exploits? Lol, fucking weirdos.
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