Fake EC tunnel prices

[loramin]

Originally Posted by derpcake2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its a very basic way to try and make people auction items under their value.

It is far beter to OOC in zone 1: WTS SMR 15k, while having your friend OOC in another zone: "WTT Djarns ring + GEBS for SMR", sell the SMR over its value, and have your friend with the fictional deal log off.

Greed is the best thing to exploit when it comes to tunnelcats.

The "tunnel cats" are all well aware of these practices, and set their prices according to what makes them plat, not what's in the wiki. It's naive non-tunnel people who don't know better, and get suckered into selling things below cost or buying them above.

But again ... there's a new sheriff in town:

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Going forward the wiki is not going to be a place where people can upload fake entries (or rather they can, but when someone notices they'll get deleted). And if they keep doing it anyway and wasting my time, I will start naming and shaming, and maybe even talk to Ravhin about adding a way to block the troublemakers from the system entirely [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[cd288]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The "tunnel cats" are all well aware of these practices, and set their prices according to what makes them plat, not what's in the wiki. It's naive non-tunnel people who don't know better, and get suckered into selling things below cost or buying them above.

But again ... there's a new sheriff in town:

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Going forward the wiki is not going to be a place where people can upload fake entries (or rather they can, but when someone notices they'll get deleted). And if they keep doing it anyway and wasting my time, I will start naming and shaming, and maybe even talk to Ravhin about adding a way to block the troublemakers from the system entirely [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do you prove what a fake entry is? Sure if someone is saying WTS at 10pp for an item that's worth several hundred, that's obvious.

But I've seen people legitimately sell items for 40 - 60% of their listed wiki value. Are significant decreases like that just going to get deleted from the log because you think they're fake? If so, that defeats the point of the log.

[TripSin]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The "tunnel cats" are all well aware of these practices, and set their prices according to what makes them plat, not what's in the wiki. It's naive non-tunnel people who don't know better, and get suckered into selling things below cost or buying them above.

But again ... there's a new sheriff in town:

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Going forward the wiki is not going to be a place where people can upload fake entries (or rather they can, but when someone notices they'll get deleted). And if they keep doing it anyway and wasting my time, I will start naming and shaming, and maybe even talk to Ravhin about adding a way to block the troublemakers from the system entirely [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The "naive non-tunnel people" aren't obsessed over a fake currency in a fake video game, though. So who's really winning here? The greedy people obsessing over money in an emulator of a 21-year-old video game or the reasonable people who have more important things to care about?

[cd288]

Originally Posted by TripSin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The "naive non-tunnel people" aren't obsessed over a fake currency in a fake video game, though. So who's really winning here? The greedy people obsessing over money in an emulator of a 21-year-old video game or the reasonable people who have more important things to care about?

Yeah at the end of the day all this technically does is help the greedy tunnel questers control the market

[loramin]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah at the end of the day all this technically does is help the greedy tunnel questers control the market

I really think you're misunderstanding the system. The wiki provides common knowledge to everyone. "Tunnel fat cats" do not benefit from that ... unless they can somehow manipulate those prices. Otherwise, public knowledge = bad for "fat cats".

Remember, these people know items and prices better than anyone else, because they see them sold every day. They don't need the wiki to tell them what a good price is: they already know how much they can get. The entire way they make their money is by exploiting the difference in pricing knowledge between them and the public.

It's everyone else who benefits from public pricing knowledge. A "fat cat" might know that they can get 2k for some item, and they will do so ... right up until it becomes public knowledge that most people sell that item for 1.5k, at which point they have to match. It's the non-tunnel person who benefits in that case, not the "fat cat".

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do you prove what a fake entry is? Sure if someone is saying WTS at 10pp for an item that's worth several hundred, that's obvious.

But I've seen people legitimately sell items for 40 - 60% of their listed wiki value. Are significant decreases like that just going to get deleted from the log because you think they're fake? If so, that defeats the point of the log.

Originally Posted by Cen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The line between fake and a good deal is a blurry one, that's for true

This is an excellent point, and I will definitely tread carefully. My plan is to only remove obvious/extreme cases. Does this mean that price manipulators will be able to post "WTS thing that should cost 100p for 90p"? Of course: it's impossible to make the system immune to all manipulation.

But at least I can stop people from trying to sell that 100p item for 2p, because they're trying to abuse the wiki system to misinform others. It isn't perfect, but less manipulation > more manipulation right?