how does teal even make sense now?

[Crovax]

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A says "there is no one to group with, it's a desolate wasteland"
B says "there are no camps, everything is taken."

This couldn't be more misleading. No one said everything is taken. The fact that you have to try and pretend that shows your argument doesn't have legs to stand on.

My point which I thought was very clear is those crowded zones will just be more crowded. The empty zones will be just as empty. The only difference is that if you want a HK group your wait time will be doubled. Want a GUK group? Time would be doubled. Want to get a group into Runneye? Want to get a group into CT? It would be the same as it is now. You are going to have to make friends and bring a group.

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No HGs available in Rathe?

EK has a HG, NK has a HG. I think WK does too.

There are other money camps. If you want them go find them - some are not well known and/or have a big faction cost, learning curve, or higher risk.

The fact that you are suggest EK, NK and WK as alternatives highlights my points. You could multiple the population by 10 and those still wouldn't be good spots outside of semi-afk at work or something. HG's at those zones wouldn't suddenly become good spots to farm plat lol.

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are other money camps. If you want them go find them - some are not well known and/or have a big faction cost, learning curve, or higher risk.

Reminds me of people who live in cities with high cost of living, a very competitive labor market, and lots of traffic... and complain about it. There are other cities (zones.) If the exp/loot is just that good where you are, then stay and be happy. If not, move.

I think you missed my point entirely. There are other camps that pale in comparison. When the servers had 1k+ each every zone wasn't suddenly filled. Those specific zones were just more filled and had far longer wait times. Empty zones were still empty.

If the servers merge that isn't going to change.

[Smellybuttface]

Originally Posted by Crovax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This couldn't be more misleading. No one said everything is taken. The fact that you have to try and pretend that shows your argument doesn't have legs to stand on.

My point which I thought was very clear is those crowded zones will just be more crowded. The empty zones will be just as empty. The only difference is that if you want a HK group your wait time will be doubled. Want a GUK group? Time would be doubled. Want to get a group into Runneye? Want to get a group into CT? It would be the same as it is now. You are going to have to make friends and bring a group.



The fact that you are suggest EK, NK and WK as alternatives highlights my points. You could multiple the population by 10 and those still wouldn't be good spots outside of semi-afk at work or something. HG's at those zones wouldn't suddenly become good spots to farm plat lol.



I think you missed my point entirely. There are other camps that pale in comparison. When the servers had 1k+ each every zone wasn't suddenly filled. Those specific zones were just more filled and had far longer wait times. Empty zones were still empty.

If the servers merge that isn't going to change.

I didn't play on Blue when it was at max population, but was this the case? I can say that on the live servers back in the day, you saw a wide distribution of players camping things in the Karanas, Runnyeye, Cazik Thule, etc. Granted, ZEM's weren't widely known back then except anecdotally, but you didn't see this insane gravitation towards certain zones that you see now (Lguk might be the exception).

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Smellybuttface [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't play on Blue when it was at max population, but was this the case? I can say that on the live servers back in the day, you saw a wide distribution of players camping things in the Karanas, Runnyeye, Cazik Thule, etc. Granted, ZEM's weren't widely known back then except anecdotally, but you didn't see this insane gravitation towards certain zones that you see now (Lguk might be the exception).

I would say that Crovax is not correct. Pre-split you had groups all over the place. I hadn't seen groups camping dervs in Ro since 1999 lol. With the split, now you just essentially have the Blue leveling experience (although the one exception to this is that Befallen is popular, which it's not on Blue) in terms of the zones people go to because there simply aren't enough people in those popular zones to force people to go elsewhere. They are crowded, but not so crowded that you usually can't find a group within ~90 minutes, which most people are willing to wait for instead of just XPing elsewhere because they don't realize the total XP earned in their play session would be higher if they just went somewhere else rather than waiting.

As an aside, this issue also isn't helped by the nerfs done to all the turn in quests, such as bandit sashes, that would motivate people to go to those areas to group.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would say that Crovax is not correct. Pre-split you had groups all over the place. I hadn't seen groups camping dervs in Ro since 1999 lol. With the split, now you just essentially have the Blue leveling experience (although the one exception to this is that Befallen is popular, which it's not on Blue) in terms of the zones people go to because there simply aren't enough people in those popular zones to force people to go elsewhere. They are crowded, but not so crowded that you usually can't find a group within ~90 minutes, which most people are willing to wait for instead of just XPing elsewhere because they don't realize the total XP earned in their play session would be higher if they just went somewhere else rather than waiting.

As an aside, this issue also isn't helped by the nerfs done to all the turn in quests, such as bandit sashes, that would motivate people to go to those areas to group.

The early days after the split still had people all over, but yeah, it cut down pretty quickly to huge clusters in uguk and hhk and such with zones like wc and kerra isle and whatnot being entirely empty almost all day long. Although I'd say it's still fairly different than blue. EK, SK, nro, zones like that will often have 8-15 people of appropriate level exping during prime hours. Even though population on green/teal is down under 1k, we still have like 50% of the playerbase below level 30 at any given time.

Blue's population peaks weren't in classic era. It was lower than green and teal are back then. And 1500 people during kunark or 2000 during velious is no problem since they are spread out in level and the world is so huge compared to just classic.