Bard vs. Rogue

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Versus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As a bard you won't have trouble finding groups (until maybe 50+ when everyone would rather have an enchanter???). But at that point, you can just kite raptors in TD I guess..

The things that some (very misguided) people prefer about enchanters don't really change from 50+. Enchanters get C2, but Bards get a more powerful manasong as well. The only thing that changes that I can think of is that Enchanters get an unresistable mez, so they're definitely better for camps where the mobs are level 56+, but mobs of that level are rarely efficient exp even at 60. So you may have trouble finding groups for some high level item camps, but you should never have trouble finding exp groups.

[nambar]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The things that some (very misguided) people prefer about enchanters don't really change from 50+. Enchanters get C2, but Bards get a more powerful manasong as well. The only thing that changes that I can think of is that Enchanters get an unresistable mez, so they're definitely better for camps where the mobs are level 56+, but mobs of that level are rarely efficient exp even at 60. So you may have trouble finding groups for some high level item camps, but you should never have trouble finding exp groups.

Sorry, an enchanter is always superior to a bard. Not only do they have better haste and mana regen, they do more DPS, can pull more mobs and mez more mobs. I also don't have to deal with the hybrid penalty.

The very best bard versus the very best enchanter in an exp group situation, the enchanter brings more to the table every time. Bards can do more things, but exp groups don't need you to do more things, just do a couple well. I'll take an enchanter with a charmed pet chain pulling.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by nambar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry, an enchanter is always superior to a bard. Not only do they have better haste and mana regen, they do more DPS, can pull more mobs and mez more mobs. I also don't have to deal with the hybrid penalty.

The very best bard versus the very best enchanter in an exp group situation, the enchanter brings more to the table every time. Bards can do more things, but exp groups don't need you to do more things, just do a couple well. I'll take an enchanter with a charmed pet chain pulling.

I've posted on this a number of times so I'm just going to link an old post I made about this:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...9&postcount=27

After thinking about this more I'm willing to concede that a very skilled Bard is slightly worse than a very skilled enchanter in exp groups (mostly because when I posted that, Charm was nerfed way worse than now), but the people acting like the enchanter is much better, or always better, are not accounting for Bards who may just be more skilled. In fact I think the people saying this have very little experience grouping with good Bards. I've definitely been in groups that could have cleared more mobs faster with me in the group instead of an average enchanter.

[Splorf22]

Yeah but CC is like 20% of what I do. At level 60 I can finally charm level 49 guys again with malo (I could do that at 54 prenerf). He was doing 75 dps. Combine that with better haste/slow/clarity and how can a bard compete with that?

[senna]

is it bard vs rogue or bard vs chanter?

so confused

[Dr4z3r]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah but CC is like 20% of what I do. At level 60 I can finally charm level 49 guys again with malo (I could do that at 54 prenerf). He was doing 75 dps. Combine that with better haste/slow/clarity and how can a bard compete with that?

Bards don't need mana.

Sure, a smart enchanter will "never" run out of mana with c2 and manatap, but a bard is always at 100% effectiveness, mana or no.