Enchanter charm isn't classic, we all know this

[bubur]

i didnt shit on anyone or anywhere

just make a bug report or something

[Bazia]

Originally Posted by bubur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i didnt shit on anyone or anywhere

just make a bug report or something

it was reference to staff, mages during blue classic were significantly more powerful and were used to "cheese" a ton of content, they were then nerfed numerous times and then destroyed on green launch to prevent it from happening again

meanwhile some enc right now on green is using an LDC to raid tank fire giants while a a couple dozen other characters sit in a corner doing literally nothing

there is very little consistency in the decision making in that regard, having half a raid be rendered useless because pets are both the raid tank and raid dps is stoopid

green raids are 5 ENCs with pets, a handful of level 39 clerics, and then 25 "do nothings" sitting in a corner. It's a very anti-fun "meta" for anyone who isnt an ENC or CLR and likely the reason this thread has gone almost 80 pages thus far

it never bothered me that ENCs were breaking all the group content, but now they are breaking the raid content too

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it was reference to staff, mages during blue classic were significantly more powerful and were used to "cheese" a ton of content, they were then nerfed numerous times and then destroyed on green launch to prevent it from happening again

meanwhile some enc right now on green is using an LDC to raid tank fire giants while a a couple dozen other characters sit in a corner doing literally nothing

there is very little consistency in the decision making in that regard, having half a raid be rendered useless because pets are both the raid tank and raid dps is stoopid

green raids are 5 ENCs with pets, a handful of level 39 clerics, and then 25 "do nothings" sitting in a corner. It's a very anti-fun "meta" for anyone who isnt an ENC or CLR and likely the reason this thread has gone almost 80 pages thus far

it never bothered me that ENCs were breaking all the group content, but now they are breaking the raid content too

The key difference is that the Mage changes were based on actual evidence of how pet spells were set up back in the day. The whiners in this thread want an un-classic nerf just because they don't like one class being more powerful than another even if it's classic, and are upset their Necros are having to compete with Enchs for farming camps.

[Bazia]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The key difference is that the Mage changes were based on actual evidence of how pet spells were set up back in the day. The whiners in this thread want an un-classic nerf just because they don't like one class being more powerful than another even if it's classic, and are upset their Necros are having to compete with Enchs for farming camps.

encs are raid tanks now and the mage break staff implemented wasnt classic (they could still research higher levels pets on live which they cannot do on green at all)

i implore rogean to check out 1 green raid and im sure looking at the pile in the corner of every class other than ENC and CLR doing nothing will convince him to tweak this

[Dolalin]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the mage break staff implemented wasnt classic (they could still research higher levels pets on live which they cannot do on green at all)

Untrue. There were no magician pets above level 29 until the May 1999 research fixes, and even most of those were broken. I found a contemporary research guide .doc from the time. Mage research was completely hosed for two full months after launch.

Proof:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...4&postcount=17

[WaffleztheAndal]

Originally Posted by Dolalin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Untrue. There were no magician pets above level 29 until the May 1999 research fixes, and even most of those were broken. I found a contemporary research guide .doc from the time. Mage research was completely hosed for two full months after launch.

Proof:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...4&postcount=17

We’re trying to hose enchanters here people, stay focused. Mages are already good and fucked, that ship has sailed and doesn’t seem to be getting the fix that was planned before the main fix in January.

Dolalin surely charm wasn’t this reliable, riskless and effortless on live in this era, use your powers for good this time, not evil.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

encs are raid tanks now and the mage break staff implemented wasnt classic (they could still research higher levels pets on live which they cannot do on green at all)

i implore rogean to check out 1 green raid and im sure looking at the pile in the corner of every class other than ENC and CLR doing nothing will convince him to tweak this

As Dolalin mentioned in his reply, this is simply incorrect.