list system flaw

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by Phaezed-Reality [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

just because u see the mobs up, doesn't mean u see the FD class at safe cubby keeping #1 spot(camping it), it is camped. he's just waiting for u to show up and farm his guise while he plays teal and afk's on green for his free pixels. Anyways, im done with this thread. I think people get the picture.

I offer no solutions, only facts. good luck. if you go to guise camp and keep seeing people run up the ladder, or afk fd in safe spot, just leave, specially if you are high on the list, by night time u will not be able to run back down after u wipe due to a pet falling thru the world. and noone able to double ivu, melee's specially running from binds get extra fucked.

So don't use pets?

[Grakken]

Originally Posted by Fammaden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When item drops, a /ran 1000 is auto generated for all listed players. For the player in position 1, the roll will be weighted with an extra 100 for every hour that player 1 has been on the list. So if he's been there eight hours he rolls 800 - 1000, ten or more hours then number one auto wins.

That might seem fair and nice to the guy(s) who has been there all day losing /random rolls. But, not fair to the person they invite to replace the last guise looter. in a group list scenario, everyone should have equal roll on every drop.

[Grakken]

Originally Posted by Phaezed-Reality [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

just because u see the mobs up, doesn't mean u see the FD class at safe cubby keeping #1 spot(camping it), it is camped. he's just waiting for u to show up and farm his guise while he plays teal and afk's on green for his free pixels. Anyways, im done with this thread. I think people get the picture.

I offer no solutions, only facts. good luck. if you go to guise camp and keep seeing people run up the ladder, or afk fd in safe spot, just leave, specially if you are high on the list, by night time u will not be able to run back down after u wipe due to a pet falling thru the world. and noone able to double ivu, melee's specially running from binds get extra fucked.

Something is going on with Lguk pathing. I've farmed guise with a pet and never had this problem. Last night in AM "Safe Hall" mobs had odd pathing. If the monk FDed a mob, they would go through the world and path up near ritualist. If he stood up, it would aggro everything from there all way down to executioner . Half would come through safe wall, half would come through the wall by AM.

I'm wondering if our group last night didn't train you by accident. We ended up camping in Lord room the pathing was so bad.

[Kirrund]

Originally Posted by Grakken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fake news. Never said it. I'm not guilded. I agree guilds don't mean anything. Every guild has cliques that are always exclusive to their clique.

Originally Posted by Grakken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its extremely different. One is a random stranger. Another is a guildmate. I'd spend an entire weekend camping an item for a friend. I won't SoW a stranger.

You did say it. https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...=342015&page=2

Never said the bold part. I have had more than one person flame me (lots of the swears) because I wouldn't sow someone while I was tanking in HHK. I get spammed a lot for SoW. Its not the one person, its the constant supply of entitled lowbies with this same mentality. That's why so many Shaman and druids go /anon. It gets old fast.

Whoever asked you to SoW while tanking is being rude. That's completely different than if you're standing around in the tunnel doing nothing. I am not trying to say that you should ALWAYS do it, because one person can only do so much. There is a thing called compassion fatigue. But the original point was that you said you won't do it. And you were pretty adamant about similar views in other threads, leading me to believe that it isn't just a one off and it's how you actually think.

That Jeff bezos guy should clearly have to give me 1 million dollars because diminishing marginal utility means group utility is maximized. Same with that cute girl, the sex only costs her 30 seconds (woo self burn) but makes my week. Clearly choice should go out the window.

Although I get it's a joke, sharing intimacy with someone is entirely different than what amounts to you walking up to me and asking me for 50 cents for the vending machine, which relatively speaking is nothing more than a soda to me. For you, that coke represents a lifetime free of struggle and the possibility of opportunity not just for yourself, but for many generations, provided you don't squander it by gulping it down immediately. Likewise, a king sitting on his throne may indeed have the choice not to redistribute a minuscule amount of his wealth in order to lessen the strife and detriment of countless others who likely contributed to his massive wealth to begin with. He has that choice. But it's a fact that choice also makes him a selfish asshole. He has to live with that.

In real life, discussions of money and relative wealth is obviously much more complicated and nuanced than either yours or my example, but surely you see the point at its most basic level?

[Phaezed-Reality]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So don't use pets?

ah that would be a great idea, why didn't i think of that. Oh wait people are going to summon there dumb sk pet everytime, and then there are mages that are "pro" and refuse not to use pets.

and lets not forget, these people cant actually hold the camps without pets, we are a mage/necro heavy server.

[Phaezed-Reality]

Originally Posted by Grakken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Something is going on with Lguk pathing. I've farmed guise with a pet and never had this problem. Last night in AM "Safe Hall" mobs had odd pathing. If the monk FDed a mob, they would go through the world and path up near ritualist. If he stood up, it would aggro everything from there all way down to executioner . Half would come through safe wall, half would come through the wall by AM.

I'm wondering if our group last night didn't train you by accident. We ended up camping in Lord room the pathing was so bad.

yea we avoided it, we constantly are checking because we know about the issues with pathing. soon as we see the massive agro msg'd we do our thing. lol. or when we see a pet run thru SH we know to do our thing too. lol. I think the only reason there wasnt even bigger trains is cause we where farming pretty much almost every mob that the peth paths back up to guise to lol.

[Grakken]

Originally Posted by Kirrund [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You did say it. https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...=342015&page=2

You're taking my words out of context. And even still with them out of context is not even close to what you claim I said.

He said /list is the same as a guild raid. I said one is a stranger, one is a guildmate. I never said anyone who is not a guildmate is a stranger. Let's say he used the example of me farming for my girlfriend is the same as /list. I'd responded no, one is a stranger one is my girlfriend. Would you think I consider anyone not my girlfriend a stranger?

Originally Posted by turbosilk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not really any different than killing a raid mob knowing someone with more points will get the drop you want if it drops. You can help kill the mob and advance whoever is in front of you or you can choose not to attend.

[PabloEdvardo]

Originally Posted by Grakken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think a community of people who show up underleveled to a mob and expect others to farm a mob for 10 hours for them are entitled jerks. I don't care that the /list system allows it.

If someone thinks the lvl requirements are too low, when it's proven that a group of that level can do it, they're just reinforcing the selfish-as-usual stance of "you should be able to solo it" which as others have pointed out many times, amounts really to "my time is more valuable than anyone else's".

Those saying that they aren't going to help others farm something for 20+ hours, simply don't realize waiting there for 20+ hours is exactly how the system works, and they're literally only ruining their reputation by doing anything other than help move the list along.

It's a small community. Someone can claim "rules" all they want. But "Play Nice" is a grey area that relies on interpretation... and just like "porn", people know toxic selfish behavior when they see it.

I guess it's good that many of the people doing the egregious stuff are FD / solo classes -- because they will erode away their ability to find groups if they persist with that type of behavior.

[Kirrund]

Originally Posted by Grakken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're taking my words out of context. And even still with them out of context is not even close to what you claim I said.

He said /list is the same as a guild raid. I said one is a stranger, one is a guildmate. I never said anyone who is not a guildmate is a stranger. Let's say he used the example of me farming for my girlfriend is the same as /list. I'd responded no, one is a stranger one is my girlfriend. Would you think I consider anyone not my girlfriend a stranger?

Pretty common sense from the amount of times you've referred to people as strangers (do I need to go dig them all up? seems like a colossal waste of time just for an attempt to get through to you) that it's anyone who isn't your friend or guildmate (or girlfriend), or your brain works in an alien way to every other normal person and the word stranger to you is either a made up fictitious extraneous group beyond the usually accepted family/friend/acquaintance/stranger groupings... or someone literally named Stranger. Words and language means things beyond what you explicitly state. We aren't robots. I would wager most people would agree with what I inferred, and that you're just mincing words because you won't give up your position that you weren't presenting a selfish viewpoint. Or you're just trolling.

Insane. Do you burst into flames if you admit you're wrong or made a mistake? If so, I'll leave it alone, because I wouldn't want that to happen to you. I'm not selfish like that.

Just unbelievable.

[Modwolf]

Grakken is a lost cause. Everyone is better off ignoring his mental gymnastics.