list system flaw

[Nirgon]

Oh yeah let me just camp items for 4 other people for 20 consecutive hours that can't kill the mob. I love helpin out!

Originally Posted by Tethler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really should have list cleared with like a several hour lockout if people are listing and leaving the spawn up for an extended period.

[Grakken]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh yeah let me just camp items for 4 other people for 20 consecutive hours that can't kill the mob. I love helpin out!

This.

[PabloEdvardo]

Originally Posted by Grakken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This.

Or maybe those people that "can't even kill it" can kill it when they work together, but one person on the list refuses to help "because they can solo it, so fuck the rest"

The lists are 25/35+ for a reason, because you can actually do the content if you group together. You know, like what the game encourages.

Every single toxic shitlord I've seen at a /list camp so far is someone who can either FD or who can solo the mob. Once they have a method of getting what they want on their own, their sense of community / helping out goes completely out the window and they view everyone else as "in their way".

I've seen people actively work together to get higher #s killed just so they can get their chance faster -- and this is against people who were in the group for 20+ hours, helping everyone else until they got their chance.

The selfishness is unrelenting.

[Phaezed-Reality]

Originally Posted by PabloEdvardo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or maybe those people that "can't even kill it" can kill it when they work together, but one person on the list refuses to help "because they can solo it, so fuck the rest"

The lists are 25/35+ for a reason, because you can actually do the content if you group together. You know, like what the game encourages.

Every single toxic shitlord I've seen at a /list camp so far is someone who can either FD or who can solo the mob. Once they have a method of getting what they want on their own, their sense of community / helping out goes completely out the window and they view everyone else as "in their way".

I've seen people actively work together to get higher #s killed just so they can get their chance faster -- and this is against people who were in the group for 20+ hours, helping everyone else until they got their chance.

The selfishness is unrelenting.

there is a difference between working together and people literally afking expecting you to kill a mob for you while they afk...... dont conflate the too. Also the people who do this can kill the mob, and still afk wait for u to farm their item. If you have not ran into this, you have not listed. This is a huge ongoing problem. It makes me sick honestly.

edit: you know how many lists i been on while we all work together to kill the mob, so the afk guy can get his item? fuck that bullshit.

[Grakken]

Originally Posted by PabloEdvardo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or maybe those people that "can't even kill it" can kill it when they work together

I am all for this. Give list 1 an hour to form a group to kill it. Seems like we agree.

[PabloEdvardo]

Originally Posted by Grakken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am all for this. Give list 1 an hour to form a group to kill it. Seems like we agree.

Not exactly -- the people grouped to kill it are the people on the /list

If you join /list and think just because you can solo it, you don't have to participate in helping people above you kill it, you're a shit lord.

There's plenty of excuses you can make, but it's still shit lord behavior.

People think the /list is a "sign up, line up, come get your soloable item"

but it was supposed to be a way to enforce keeping order among people camping it

The fact that it's easy to abuse once you can FD or solo it, is a result of player selfishness. Every name I've seen sit afk and bitch about "I can solo it so fuck you I'm not helping you get yours" goes on my permanent shit list.

[Grakken]

Originally Posted by PabloEdvardo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you join /list and think just because you can solo it, you don't have to participate in helping people above you kill it, you're a shit lord.

There's plenty of excuses you can make, but it's still shit lord behavior.

Pre List
RULEs: You don't have to help people farm named mobs while you wait for a camp.
Community: You don't have to help people farm named mobs while you wait for a camp.

Post List
Rules: You don't have to help people farm named mobs while you wait for a camp.
Community: If you don't spend 40 hours farming welfare pixels to people who can't get a group to farm the named, you're a garbage human being and everyone hates you.

Me: Surprised pikachu face.

[ZiggyTheMuss]

Originally Posted by PabloEdvardo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People think the /list is a "sign up, line up, come get your soloable item"

but it was supposed to be a way to enforce keeping order among people camping it

Look at this shithead.

How do you think camps work in EQ? Are you even familiar with this game? The list was created to minimize CSR work surrounding these shitshow legacy item camps.

Period.

The list was not created to force people to group together to camp rare items for players who normally wouldn't be able to hold the camp.

The list system is broken because Rogean surprisingly did not anticipate the depths that the neckbeards of P99 are willing to sink to.

If people show up to /list for an item and find a rogue or whatever just sitting there with all the mobs up then the rogue should be removed from the list. There is no way in hell that it makes any sense for the newcomers to have to farm the item for the rogue just because he was there first.

If the list was not in place and this same scenario took place, the rogue would lose his "camp" because he wasn't actually camping anything. The list needs to be tweaked for sure.

Now, if I showed up to a /list camp and there was some stranger just sitting there waiting for me to kill the PH for them because they can't do it themself? I would just leave or log out. I wouldn't care enough to try to wait them out but I certainly wouldn't camp the item for them. Here's another thing too: I would never even consider showing up to a /list camp if I was not capable of soloing it. It would never cross my mind to just go to a /list camp and wait for people to show up and clear it for me. I think that is much more despicable behavior than the people who refuse to help them to keep the list moving.

There is a huge difference from live back in classic and P99 now. The difference is that there is a massive amount of entitlement NOW. Funny since I would think that people would have been more entitled back when they were paying a monthly subscription.

The whining will continue no matter what happens but I would like to see some fair changes made to the list system to cut down on the amount of leeches who think they can just show up and /AFK their way to a legacy item.

[cobaltblack]

looking forward to the PVP enabled classic timeline server PINK99

All these problems won't exist on pink99.

[lituviel]

Originally Posted by ZiggyTheMuss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look at this shithead.

......

If people show up to /list for an item and find a rogue or whatever just sitting there with all the mobs up then the rogue should be removed from the list. There is no way in hell that it makes any sense for the newcomers to have to farm the item for the rogue just because he was there first.

If the list was not in place and this same scenario took place, the rogue would lose his "camp" because he wasn't actually camping anything. The list needs to be tweaked for sure.

Now, if I showed up to a /list camp and there was some stranger just sitting there waiting for me to kill the PH for them because they can't do it themself? I would just leave or log out. I wouldn't care enough to try to wait them out but I certainly wouldn't camp the item for them.

Do what I say but not what I do.

Originally Posted by ZiggyTheMuss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys are assholes for not helping him and keeping the line moving.

Or are you just insulting people for free there ?