Bard Help

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by SenoraRaton [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't keep my inventory open at all....
I have 4 hot bars macroed to Shift W/A/S/D and I swap pages as needed
Page 1 - Main Twist
Page 2 - Pull
Page 3 - Weapon Swaps
Page 4 - Charm setup

I move with WASD, so I just hotkey swap to the page I need when I need it. No inventory, all shortcuts except weapon swapping which I have to do manually.

Something doesn't add up like not being able to move while you're pressing those hotkeys and i'd like to see a video of you doing this for a few minutes if you could upload one. And all of that just to single tap songs.

A better solution is if the devs just give us a normal UI with enough action slots or make stopsong inherent in the code. Or just allow / use a script.

I remember playing a 50+ bard and twisting + switching instruments + charming + mezzing + meleeing with a normal UI and stopsong and that was so much micro already that it would be impossible with switching pages.
But if you can play a bard to its full potential while doing what you're saying and show us a video of it then i'll sincerely congratulate you.

And even the idea of forcing players to switch pages instead of just giving us extra action slots is silly.

[SenoraRaton]

This ENTIRE server is silly. I didn't write the rules, or make the system I just work within the confines I have been given. I don't have Fraps to show you that I'm a competent bard with these confines, but I guarantee you that many other people are playing bards without your "scripts" that are even more competent than me.

Its pretty clear that you expect something different from this server than I do. I expect a classic EQ experience, and the Devs seek to provide that. You have a perception of "perfect bard play" that you want to recreate. I honestly don't agree with your implementation whether its legal or not, because it forces players to utilize outside influences to enhance game play, which is not classic.

[astuce999]

I don't have /stopsong macros. I ALT + Double Tap for songs 4-8. I use the keypad for movement and not WASD. I pretty much only use the mouse to instrument twist.

I always likened barding to playing the piano IRL. A two-handed non-stop effort that can leave you crippled if you don't do the right warm-up exercises.

I like double-tapping. I find it gives the class 'tempo'. It keeps you alert and concentrated when you have to have different reactions to missed notes/stuns than your "normal" twist (not sure i'm explaining this right).

cheers,

Astuce

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by astuce999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't have /stopsong macros. I ALT + Double Tap for songs 4-8. I use the keypad for movement and not WASD. I pretty much only use the mouse to instrument twist.

I always likened barding to playing the piano IRL. A two-handed non-stop effort that can leave you crippled if you don't do the right warm-up exercises.

I like double-tapping. I find it gives the class 'tempo'. It keeps you alert and concentrated when you have to have different reactions to missed notes/stuns than your "normal" twist (not sure i'm explaining this right).

cheers,

Astuce

You could still double tap but I think you'll feel differently once you hit 60. I love fast paced action games with lots of APM but double tapping is just annoying and pointless from a game design perspective.

Either way i'm not even playing anymore and I was mostly just sharing it if anyone wanted to use. So do whatever you want.

And yeah I love the rhythmic concept of a bard. And especially strafing with selos.

[Ataria]

Originally Posted by astuce999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't have /stopsong macros. I ALT + Double Tap for songs 4-8. I use the keypad for movement and not WASD. I pretty much only use the mouse to instrument twist.

I always likened barding to playing the piano IRL. A two-handed non-stop effort that can leave you crippled if you don't do the right warm-up exercises.

I like double-tapping. I find it gives the class 'tempo'. It keeps you alert and concentrated when you have to have different reactions to missed notes/stuns than your "normal" twist (not sure i'm explaining this right).

cheers,

Astuce

This is exactly how I played on Live. Not sure why I never used /stopsong. Not sure i even knew about it. I like how you likened it playing the piano. I never would have made that association.

I did start up a little bard on green, first one since Live. And it was like riding a bike, the double tapping came right back, the notes and timings still in my head. I could double tap with my eyes closed.. I know exactly when the songs end on the dot intuitively.

The biggest thing I remember on live is people would always be mad at me because I could not chat with them.. My reply was always "twisting!"

I wonder, is it so much of a loss if you do not use /stopsong?

I will have to experiment, but double tapping is just so automatic for me, so natural.

[Cyrillious]

Originally Posted by Ataria [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is exactly how I played on Live. Not sure why I never used /stopsong. Not sure i even knew about it. I like how you likened it playing the piano. I never would have made that association.

I did start up a little bard on green, first one since Live. And it was like riding a bike, the double tapping came right back, the notes and timings still in my head. I could double tap with my eyes closed.. I know exactly when the songs end on the dot intuitively.

The biggest thing I remember on live is people would always be mad at me because I could not chat with them.. My reply was always "twisting!"

I wonder, is it so much of a loss if you do not use /stopsong?

I will have to experiment, but double tapping is just so automatic for me, so natural.

This is exactly how I used to play on Live as well. It becomes melodic in nature. Also, it is nice to have that manual cadence going, and be able to immediately switch over to another song if needed based on the extra pull/add w/o skipping a beat. I tried /stopsong at one point, and found it clunky at best compared to the cadence/flexibility I had doing it manually.

I got really good at fast & furious typing in between the 3 seconds...

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by SenoraRaton [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This ENTIRE server is silly. I didn't write the rules, or make the system I just work within the confines I have been given. I don't have Fraps to show you that I'm a competent bard with these confines, but I guarantee you that many other people are playing bards without your "scripts" that are even more competent than me.

Its pretty clear that you expect something different from this server than I do. I expect a classic EQ experience, and the Devs seek to provide that. You have a perception of "perfect bard play" that you want to recreate. I honestly don't agree with your implementation whether its legal or not, because it forces players to utilize outside influences to enhance game play, which is not classic.

"I don't need logical fixes for obvious game flaws because I can twist two songs and equip my lute during downtime and that's classic! I mean 5 songs while managing a pet, instruments, mezzes, group macros, movement, and meleeing. But I can't prove it because i've never heard of OBS." yeahokay.

I strongly advocate "keeping things classic" but that can be taken too far just like making changes. And that's why fixing things with good judgement is best instead of either of those extremes. But they're just too afraid of offending the overzealous classic cult and the slippery slope that usually results from the inability to see the limits.

And in this case, allowing a standard UI with extra action slots or single tapping songs by any means is a reasonable and beneficial fix with zero negative impact on the "classic experience."