Enchanter charm isn't classic, we all know this

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Chanters did solo with charm for exp on live.

That's not the same thing as having figured out how to use a buffed, dual wielding, malod, -mr geared imp while you have a wc cap and root nets and a wand of allure and a telescope on your hotbar so you can duo freeti in relative safety for hours on end.

Nobody is saying they were dumb back then. There's a difference between being dumb and having enough play time to piece together all the parts of the puzzle. And either nobody did that very quickly, or if anyone did it they didn't talk about it so thoroughly and frequently that became widely known.

Tecmos I give you props. You're actively trying to engage with me, you're giving (small, but reasonable) ground on your argument, and I know that there's probably not a single more "Pro-Enchanter" player on this entire server. I know that if anyone has a reason to be intellectually dishonest in their defense of Enchanters it would be you, but I can feel you trying not to be (and I also know how much you appreciate this place and it's mission), and I genuinely respect you for it.

But look, we've gone from "Enchanters were too stupid to charm" to "Enchanters totally charmed all the time, but they just couldn't optimize it". That's a huge leap from where we started, but I have to try and pick at your rational/logical side some more.

The core of my argument is "Enchanters weren't even a DPS class on live, but they are the best DPS class here; unless that can be explained entirely through player ignorance, the only other explanation is that this emulation of 1999 EverQuest isn't emulating it well enough."

So let's engage with the "explained entirely through player ignorance" part. Just so we're clear, you're arguing that a "nekid" (or at least classically geared) Enchanter on Green can't charm solo effectively? I'm not talking about being the best DPS in the game necessarily, but are you saying they can't even be very effective DPS without -mr gear, an insta-click item, etc.?

I think the evidence suggests they can. So again, what's different between Green and Live, if it's not the knowledge of all those other items (that aren't essential to the core act of using charm), and it's not the server mechanics?