Bard dots after patch

[jerus]

Originally Posted by astuce999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually selo's overwriting root wasn't nerfed until much much later, early velious (january 9th, 2001).

I'm still looking for proof that bards weren't affected by this dot nerf, so far I have found a couple of posts from everlore that talked about chant dots and how much damage they did when kiting, but nothing like the smoking gun I'm hoping for. My main weakness in searching is that I haven't been able to find an archive of the concert hall, Liquidated used to post all the patches and how it affected bards on a religious basis, and that would be a gold mine for here.

cheers

about a year or two ago TCH freaked out and all the info was lost basically or something like that. Make a post over there I think nuchaos and Savok had a little bit of it backed up they may have put that stuff somewhere, and there was also a view only EQDiva website IIRC.

And yeah, charm swarming was my favorite way to solo but doesn't seem to work here, agro is much higher on me and I can't always get the pet to get agro. On live if I charm a mob it wipes it's memory clean except for the charm agro after it breaks, so minimal agro on that mob, small enough so that I can charm a different mob and sick it on them and they instantly change agro to my pet and any mobs that have social agro do the same.

Also is charm duration correct? I don't remember there being a 18s max, I remembered like 30ish sec or soemthing like that.

[Amelinda]

Originally Posted by jerus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also is charm duration correct? I don't remember there being a 18s max, I remembered like 30ish sec or soemthing like that.

Charm duration for bards was ALWAYS random. sometimes you got lucky and managed a 30s charm at level 60+ but most of the time that sucka would last like 3 or 4 tics and WHAM!

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Amelinda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Charm duration for bards was ALWAYS random. sometimes you got lucky and managed a 30s charm at level 60+ but most of the time that sucka would last like 3 or 4 tics and WHAM!

This isn't really true is it? There's abundant proof showing that it should only last up to 12 seconds in kunark. When did the duration increase?

As for swarm kiting, I think the problem is actually pretty simple. When you body aggro a mob, you get a certain amount of aggro. When a charmed pet attacks a swarm of mobs, the pet gets a certain amount of aggro. The aggro generated from the former is less than that of the latter. I think this is an issue with distance aggro or something, or maybe social aggro, not being as high as it should (I don't know if swarm kiting worked on non-social mobs because I didn't play a Bard on live). This is been bug reported probably a hundred times. Not complaining about it or anything, but it has definitely been reported.

[astuce999]

the problem with swarm kiting is that the social aggro generated by the pet attacking a mob is transferred completely to the bard and doesn't stay on the pet, so instead of the swarm trying to kill your pet, it beelines for you.

iirc lvl 39 charm duration was raised to "up to" a minute either late velious or early luclin. It was initially 12 secs and was raised to 18 secs (I think) at some point during kunark.

I found a site that had some of the concert hall stuff but nothing that talks about the nerf for dots, either for, or against.

Logically, since bards can't root, but instead can cast while moving, it would make no sense that this nerf would affect them. Add the fact that bard dots already last only 18 seconds, the "balanced" part of the nerf of adding extra ticks to dots so that it would end up doing the same damage couldn't apply to bards even if it wanted to.

still looking,


cheers

[Twizzt]

Jerus, did you play a bard on bertox by chance?

[astuce999]

all right, found what I think is conclusive info.

on http://web.archive.org/web/200209220...://eqdiva.com/

there's the post on "news" that says

Patch Message - 9/4/02
Espio Idsavant Wednesday, September 04, 2002 8:55am CST
The latest news...

To discuss today's patch, goto this thread

Items in bold are ones that might be important to bards, lines in italics are my own comments, as usual. Todays patch is a big one, so get comphy...

The unannounced changes:
Every patch has 'em. Here are the changes that have been discovered so far that VI neglected to mention in the patch message:

- The level 39 Charm song can now last up to a full minute. Its manacost, however, has been increased as well. 'Swarm kiting' has now become quite difficult
- The level 15 Mez song is now a targetted mez song (it used to be AE). Unlike the rest of our mez songs, it does not have a MR debuff nor a knockback/forward
- This was kinda mentioned, but not quite clearly. The level of experience you get for low level blue cons (ie, like mobs in Sebilis, most of whom arent over 50, with the exception of the areas past the lower jail) has been drastically reduced.
- Bard icons no longer blink, again. I guess its too hard to make it an option, since it seems half the people like them and half dont.

~ Espio

so that's when charm was changed to a minute.

And I also found, unfortunately for me;

http://web.archive.org/web/200208020...ww.eqdiva.com/

where specifically bolded it says:

-Removed the reduction in damage to Damage over Time spells when used on NPCs that are moving.
Yes, this means we do full damage now while kiting!

so that means that unlike I thought, bards were affected by the dot nerf.


cheers!