Request for Staff Confirmation on EXP

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Vizax_Xaziv [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Precisely my point, and I experienced this as well. And we were CHAIN-PULLING RED CONS in a full group. Doesn't feel accurate at all.

Meanwhile in the same 2 hours people are getting FULL LEVELS 20+......

Really, this is what eq and p99blue have always tended to be. Most groups are SHIT. Do the math; it's not wrong. Full groups just tend to be very inefficient.

A few of them are fantastic. Like 5% of them. The rest of the time soloing with an appropriate class or a good duo/trio is miles ahead of a full group.

I regularly solod my clerics on blue for a reason. And it wasn't because I'm antisocial.

My sham on green solos a -1 or even-level mob every 2 minutes or so. Do you think a full group is going to kill a high blue or even every 15 seconds nonstop for hours on end? Fuck no they won't. They won't kill a yellow every 20 seconds for hours on end either. Full groups are a fun experience with the right players in the right locations. But they're rarely the best exp option.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really, this is what eq and p99blue have always tended to be. Most groups are SHIT. Do the math; it's not wrong. Full groups just tend to be very inefficient.

A few of them are fantastic. Like 5% of them. The rest of the time soloing with an appropriate class or a good duo/trio is miles ahead of a full group.

I regularly solod my clerics on blue for a reason. And it wasn't because I'm antisocial.

My sham on green solos a -1 or even-level mob every 2 minutes or so. Do you think a full group is going to kill a high blue or even every 15 seconds nonstop for hours on end? Fuck no they won't. They won't kill a yellow every 20 seconds for hours on end either. Full groups are a fun experience with the right players in the right locations. But they're rarely the best exp option.

Sorry, meant to respond to this earlier. Are you saying this because you’re saying it won’t be possible if the spawn rates are normal or are you saying this because you don’t think a group without gear is capable of this?

If the latter, have you been grouping at all? Every group I’ve been in has been chain pulling constantly (even when the spawn rate was increased). This includes pulling reds and yellows as soon as they spawn. Heck, we were chain clearing orcs in CB a couple hours ago without a tank as a bunch of level 7s, including taking down the Orc Trainer using two Enchanter pets and barely anything else lol. When the spawn rate was increased, every group I’ve been in has been constantly chain pulling without stopping and without issue.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry, meant to respond to this earlier. Are you saying this because you’re saying it won’t be possible if the spawn rates are normal or are you saying this because you don’t think a group without gear is capable of this?

If the latter, have you been grouping at all? Every group I’ve been in has been chain pulling constantly (even when the spawn rate was increased). This includes pulling reds and yellows as soon as they spawn. Heck, we were chain clearing orcs in CB a couple hours ago without a tank as a bunch of level 7s, including taking down the Orc Trainer using two Enchanter pets and barely anything else lol. When the spawn rate was increased, every group I’ve been in has been constantly chain pulling without stopping and without issue.

I was saying most group exp is crap because that has been my experience across hundreds of groups and a decade of p99 on both blue and green. Red group exp only was worth it because of a crazy huge exp bonus in groups.

I sincerely doubt the all groups you've been in were legitimately chain pulling yellows and reds.

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

including taking down the Orc Trainer using two Enchanter pets and barely anything else lol..

It's cool killing tough stuff. But this line supports the argument that your group(s) have been inefficient. Killing a mob with 2 pets is quite plainly not going to earn a lot of exp for a group of 6. It's just not enough dps. Even if you have actually chain pulled in every group you've been in, if you're killing stuff slowly because your group is too light on damage, it's still gonna be crappy exp.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was saying most group exp is crap because that has been my experience across hundreds of groups and a decade of p99 on both blue and green. Red group exp only was worth it because of a crazy huge exp bonus in groups.

I sincerely doubt the all groups you've been in were legitimately chain pulling yellows and reds.




It's cool killing tough stuff. But this line supports the argument that your group(s) have been inefficient. Killing a mob with 2 pets is quite plainly not going to earn a lot of exp for a group of 6. It's just not enough dps. Even if you have actually chain pulled in every group you've been in, if you're killing stuff slowly because your group is too light on damage, it's still gonna be crappy exp.

We've definitely been legitimately chain pulling yellows and reds. Of course, I think at higher levels this wouldn't be possible if you weren't geared. For example, I think if you tried to pull the HK Raider room without a geared group when the Raiders are red to everyone, you'd get crushed. However, at lower levels the mobs don't hit hard enough/have a high enough HP pool to really stand much of a chance against a full group if you're pulling one at a time. Low level EQ you really don't need a geared group in order to efficiently chain kill yellows and reds (especially, for example, if you have an Enchanter for Tash so that more caster nukes land). Average time for us to kill a yellow last night was like 10 seconds. Again, at higher levels I doubt we'd be able to do this.

I'm not sure what you mean by it's not enough DPS. You mean that it takes too long to kill the red with those pets so it's not an efficient way of XPing? I'd agree with that, but I was more using that as an example of how you can have an ungeared group taking down reds. That was also one kill out of the rotation since the Trainer only spawns sometimes obviously.