Green should disallow GINA

[kylok]

I understand that buff timers are not displayed in game. But we're splitting hairs arguing whether you should have to manually set an egg timer or use a program to set an egg timer automatically.

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by kylok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand that buff timers are not displayed in game. But we're splitting hairs arguing whether you should have to manually set an egg timer or use a program to set an egg timer automatically.

We're not talking about "an egg timer." Don't overly simplify what GINA provides.

[kylok]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're not talking about "an egg timer." Don't overly simplify what GINA provides.

It appears to me to be a sophisticated set of timers with real time graphs dependent upon info from logs. I'm not attempting to overly simplify it - that's genuinely what I see. I legitimately do not see why this should fall under the third party applications clause. If it told you when charms (random duration spells) were going to break then sure, ban it and anything with similar functionality - but it doesn't.

I've yet to see any evidence of this tool allowing a player to do content that they would otherwise not be able to do without it.

[Izmael]

OCR or not, something tells me that if we delay the log files, most / all GINA users will have to learn to play EQ without GINA.

Just my 2cp

I don't really care that much, never managed to make GINA work. Just want us all to have the best possible Green experience. Such a server launch doesn't happen often.

[The]

I'm pretty sure no one really relies on GINA the way you seem to think. A lot of people come to use GINA only AFTER gaining proficiency at their class, and use it to make the less fun tedious bits a little easier. I don't see the issue with using it to ruin other players experiences as there isn't really functionality in GINA for that.

[Izmael]

Originally Posted by The [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm pretty sure no one really relies on GINA the way you seem to think. A lot of people come to use GINA only AFTER gaining proficiency at their class, and use it to make the less fun tedious bits a little easier. I don't see the issue with using it to ruin other players experiences as there isn't really functionality in GINA for that.

MacroQuest, boxing or RMT don't ruin other people experience any more than GINA, yet they are forbidden.

[dekova]

Originally Posted by Izmael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

MacroQuest, boxing or RMT don't ruin other people experience any more than GINA.

You sure you don't want to think about that statement a bit?

[kylok]

Originally Posted by Izmael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

MacroQuest, boxing or RMT don't ruin other people experience any more than GINA, yet they are forbidden.

Boxing probably doesn't ruin the experience too much - but that's an issue that 90+% of the player base and staff agree should not be allowed. MQ on the other hand does have a very real and serious impact on the playable game. MQ injects code into the game, it's a completely different animal that allows automation of game play. It allows you to do content you would otherwise not be able to do without it.

[The]

Originally Posted by Izmael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

MacroQuest, boxing or RMT don't ruin other people experience any more than GINA, yet they are forbidden.

Macroquesting allows for automation which GINA does not do and has been against ToS since inception, boxing and RMT I honestly don't have an opinion on. I understand the rules against it but I really couldn't care less what someone does with their money. But enough whataboutism. I still don't see why there is a fear that GINA somehow makes the game unfavorably tilted. Sure, spawn timers, but before I used GINA I just set them on my phone.

[Llandris]

Originally Posted by Izmael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

MacroQuest, boxing or RMT don't ruin other people experience any more than GINA, yet they are forbidden.

woah wait a sec, I was on your side until I read this. Without getting into details, TPPs and/or RMT is probably the worst thing someone can do in regards to other players' experience. That's why its taken very seriously, and that's why players leave me wonderful posts like the quote below